Getting height in kicks

[dbfuru]

How can I get more height in my kicks? I did a nice tornado kick last week, and I lost it after resting unfortunately.. What I do remember is I was getting some nice height..

What is "correct" setup technique to get height in tornado kicks? I am assuming this can be brought over to various other cheat kicks too..

Thanks!

[Torre]

Throw your arms up hard, that helps me a lot.

[Maddaveman]

Read Juji's tutorial again. Make sure to pump your leg up hard, swing your arms, and round house kick high. Try a couple different setups. Do it from side to side and the slow step that Juji talks about in his tutorial

[Ewasiuk]

Dig down deep(AGGRESSIVELY!), drive the non-kicking leg up(HARD!), throw your arms up(AGGRESSIVELY!), and jump off of the leg(HARD.......AND EXPLOSIVELY!).

[blueandviolet]

dig down, jump hard, kick hard, try to jump and lift with the non kicking leg, swing both arms hard, get used to the motion, and do boxsquat or deadlift if you can!

[Federico00]

Just doing a lot of tornado kicks. I can sit her and make a list of things that will help, but as long as you know the basic turn, pump leg jump and kick thru, ur set. Just keep doing it and it will come.

[mrjack92]

read juji's flexibility article :P

[Scalco]

Was gonna give some tips but everyone seems to said what needs to be said. Do what they say it'll work with some practice:smile:

[Quinntin]

Just from personal experiance i found trying to throw a trick too hard messed my height up. Like juji says, throw it quickly not so much agressivly.

[Riku]

drill drill drill

[Martial Way]

I don't swing really my arms at all. A lot of it depends on your hips and torso. I also don't really make a giant first step. I hear that a lot and I guess if you are just starting out thats okay but for me its just a step in to get some speed and momentum, then turn and lift that knee up nice and high (really use your hips).

OH, and be sure that you've brought that knee all the way around almost towards the front before jumping and throug the roundhouse.

[[RozoN]]

just push harder up with your shoulders, keep a straight, don't look down and definitely don't "dig down".

This is for cheat setup ofc..

Edit: Oh yes, it's not in the arms ofc...I can keep swinging my arms back and forth like a crazy voodo man, but nothing will happen. Think about it, when you're going for a dunk, what do you do to gain height? Obviously lifting your arms up won't do you squat, unless you utilize your shoulders.

[dbfuru]

I try doing it with Juji's little hop set up. It's just so hard.. Maybe I should try that cheat setup or whatever. What do you mean by don't dig down?

[Martial Way]

Well, there are differences between the martial version of the tornado kick and the tricking version. The tricking version I've noticed looks more like out to in cresent kick whereas the martial arts version is like a roundhouse. But that may only be preference varying from person to person. I know in order to a cheat 900 that looks just like a roundhouse kick when you make the final spin, I haven't seen anyone make it look like a cresent kick.

[Maddaveman]

I try doing it with Juji's little hop set up. It's just so hard.. Maybe I should try that cheat setup or whatever. What do you mean by don't dig down?

Try the three setups, a side to side setup, the slow step that Juji uses, and a quick step (which is just Juji's setup minus the hop so it's faster)

and a tornado takes off of 1 foot, so digging can be detrimental to getting height, so don't dig/bend your knee too much.

[dbfuru]

I have been trying constantly the three different cheat setups but none work for me. I just can't get it. They feel clunky and not smooth, so I'm likely doing something so basic so terribly wrong, resulting in a shitty low jump. I have such bad coordination, I am having trouble twisting, lifting my non kicking leg and controlling my arms. I took a video of myself and my arms just stay up after my push up.

I lift my arms straight above my head, looking uber gay, so I'm doing something wrong. I don't want to upload a video because I won't get any constructive criticism just stuff like "that looks gay".

And when I try the side to side set up I get too much momentum and just lose balance and fall over usually.

[Scalco]

lol you have to understand, the tips given for getting more height won't change your height drastically. The best way to get higher in your tricks is to just practice them. The more you jump off the leg the stronger it will get at jumping. And that takes time.

[haylon]

Chris Dee once said to me:

"Young man, to improve your kicks, you must do them often."

[Skilzat85X]

;1215301']just push harder up with your shoulders, keep a straight, don't look down and definitely don't "dig down".

Completely wrong of course haha.

The only real thing of consequence is to dig down during the setup, and then jump explosively off. Throwing your arms or shoulders up won't do crap other than help coordinate (which is good); that is to say, throwing your arms up doesn't generate any force against the ground to propel you upwards, does that make sense?

Just dig in the setup, jump harder during the takeoff. To do this, first get good at all the tornado kick motions for the takeoff (swinging the arms, spotting the target, lifting the leg), so you can do them without thinking. That way, you can give full attention to focusing on powering the jump.

And remember, what do you do when you're trying to jump really high in a straight up vertical jump? You bend down first, then you jump up, right? So why would a cheat kick be any different? You bend down first while you're setting up, and then you jump up while taking off. The laws of physics don't change just because you're doing a trick, you can rely on the same principles. Yess!

[Scalco]

Go physics! *waves palm-palms*

[Skippy]

Completely wrong of course haha.

The only real thing of consequence is to dig down during the setup, and then jump explosively off. Throwing your arms or shoulders up won't do crap other than help coordinate (which is good);

Now I know the force exherted from the arms isn't against the ground, but to get this straight, you're not basically saying if you don't use your arms you will still get the same height did you? because I mean, if you do a standing vertical jump, you definitely get higher with the use of your arms ofcourse than if you just kept your hands in your pockets.

I'm 99% sure you didn't, but sometimes how you put things across makes me a little confused Skilz hoho. :]

[Skilzat85X]

Now I know the force exherted from the arms isn't against the ground, but to get this straight, you're not basically saying if you don't use your arms you will still get the same height did you? because I mean, if you do a standing vertical jump, you definitely get higher with the use of your arms ofcourse than if you just kept your hands in your pockets.

I'm 99% sure you didn't, but sometimes how you put things across makes me a little confused Skilz hoho. :]

You can in principle get close to the same height, but there's a couple things to think about:

1) Part of being able to jump adequately is the technique and how you think about doing the jump. While this is extremely simple (since almost anyone can do it), leaving your arms there limp just doesn't feel right, and it adds to a loss of coordination, and makes jumping a lot more uncomfortable, therefore your technique is compromised a bit (unless you train specifically to be able to do it this way), therefore the height will suffer.
The only thing is the height won't suffer for the reasons everyone is thinking, and not as much as you're thinking.

2) I haven't done much looking into this, but I think that when you do swing your arms up as your jump, your legs have to push less weight upwards. This is because when your arms are swinging, they as a component attached to your body have their own upwards velocity now being generated by your muscles, therefore the net force (which in this case has application to their weight) is not acting downwards, since you are accelerating them upwards.
So now your body only has to push the weight of whatever other components of your body still have a downwards net force (due to gravity).

This one (2), I'm not entirely sure about. It makes sense inductively and intuitively but it could just be bs haha. We'll see, I might look into this one more some time. Whether or not it's true though the difference is probably very small, but perhaps still significant?

[GSimp]

I agree with skilzat, I can jump just as high without using my arms, though it does make jumps cleaner and more coordinated.

If you throw your arms up, the force you used to throw them up pushes against the ground, so it never really helps you get height. If anything, having them up when you jump and swinging them down quickly will gain you height.

Try it doing a hyper 360, it makes you go higher. Hans does this as well.