Red Meat is bad for you?

[VietMan04]

http://health.yahoo.com/news/ap/med_diet_meat_mortality.html

[Martial Way]

Of course if you eat that much red meat something bad is bound to happen...if eat too much of anything then duh. They said they studied men who ate a 1/4 worth of red meat a day for 10 years...really? How many people do you know eat that much red meat every day for 10 years? These studies are kind of stupid.

The key to a healthy life style is moderation in everything you put into your body. If you smoke two packs of cigs a day for 20 years of course you are putting yourself at high risk of cancer. But I doubt if you have 1 or 2 smokes a day then your chances would be nearly as a high. Also, if you were to eat too much ice cream, or drink too much milk or soda thats bad for you. Or if you eat nothing BUT chicken then you can become anemic. So yeah the list goes on...the key in all things is moderation. You can either be super extreme limiting your diet to only certain things and end up dying anyway or you can be reasonable about what you put into your body and still end up dying...you chose.

And for the record, if I'm not supposed to do or eat what makes me happy before I die then thats not really living in my book. We all are going to die anyway so if I'm old I'll just eat whatever I want. I doubt I'll be tricking at 90...

[xrobbatesx]

Of course if you eat that much red meat something bad is bound to happen...if eat too much of anything then duh. They said they studied men who at a quarter pound of red meat a day for 10 years...really? How many people do you know eat that much red meat every day for 10 years? These studies are kind of stupid.

And for the record, if I'm not supposed to do or eat what makes me happy before I die then thats not really living in my book. We all are going to die anyway so if I'm old I'll just eat whatever I want. I doubt I'll be tricking at 90...

:juji:

[Martial Way]

I take it you agree? heh. I ended up editing it though because I thought of other stuff that really gets my goat horny................... I mean just my goat... uh yeah thats it >_>;

[Kitosho]

correlation / causation


choose one

[Sakanem]

The researchers surveyed more than 545,000 people, ages 50 to 71 years old, on their eating habits, then followed them for 10 years. There were more than 70,000 deaths during that time.

Obviously you can't compare our lifestyle to that of a 60-yr old.

Kitosho, I'm quite sure that they chose a research design that takes care of threats to inference, although I guess you do have a point regarding elimination of simultaneity problems (i.e. how much the rest of their shitty diet & lack of exercise account for early death that they are falsely attributed to red meat). Reverse causation isn't really problematic since it's quite obvious that bad diet leads to premature death and not that early death leads to a bad diet :eh:

Also, while a high correlation is not proof of causation, it is certainly strong evidence. /stupid mumbo-jumbo

[Ernest]

If you swim in water for too long you may increase your risk of drowning. :wise:

[Lobo]

"The largest study of its kind finds that older Americans who eat large amounts of red meat and processed meats face a greater risk of death from heart disease and cancer."

omg!

[Kid Knuckles]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

[Steve]

Just be somewhat muss and then lounge about the meat department all day

[Martial Way]

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.



HA! The Boondocks are awesomeness!

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

what does yahoo know about meat

read the metabolic diet's list of references for more reliable information on red meat & it's benefits

plus this was tested on lazy ass women & lazy ass sedentary old bastards

[Skilzat85X]

what does yahoo know about meat

read the metabolic diet's list of references for more reliable information on red meat & it's benefits

plus this was tested on lazy ass women & lazy ass sedentary old bastards
Oh goodness you've got to be kidding me haha. :snooze: What a horrible topic this is.
Obviously Yahoo doesn't need to know crap since it's reporting information by this orginzation: http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/169/6/543

Everyone's always quick to throw away the studies when it doesn't suit their opinion and try to point to them when it does. A better article on this study is
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/Story?id=7153072&page=1 since it reports both sides of the issue.

And yes, just because there are benefits to eating red meat doesn't mean you can blind yourself to the negative effects as well. And just because it can have negative effects doesn't mean it should be labeled as bad and the nutritional benefits should be neglected. You extremist pigs haha.

And now I want some steak.


EDIT:
Good gaawd I hate some 'news organizations'.

"Red meat is bad for you": http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2009/03/killjoy-news-me.html

It's like they don't put any thought process into the presentation of the articles lol.

[anfeyd]

The fact of the matter Skilz is that all of the studies done on red meat consumption have no regard to carbohydrate consumption (specifically, processed carbohydrates).

To my knowledge, there are no studies done that examine the effects of red meat combined with fruits and vegetables as the main carbohydrate source (essentially the paleolithic diet) which is why the majority of people that are pro paleo don't give a shit about these studies.

American's are retards anyway who spend all of their money researching these anal topics anyway without any regard for the bigger picture.

Then again, I haven't looked very far ho ho ho.

[Ernest]

"The question is how much of it is the meat and how much is the extra calories," Brooks said. "Calories per se are a strong determinant for death from cancer and heart disease. This should make us think about our calorie intake."

-Jay Brooks, M.D., chairman, hematology/oncology, Ochsner Health System, Baton Rouge, La.

[Skilzat85X]

The fact of the matter Skilz is that all of the studies done on red meat consumption have no regard to carbohydrate consumption (specifically, processed carbohydrates).

To my knowledge, there are no studies done that examine the effects of red meat combined with fruits and vegetables as the main carbohydrate source (essentially the paleolithic diet) which is why the majority of people that are pro paleo don't give a shit about these studies.

American's are retards anyway who spend all of their money researching these anal topics anyway without any regard for the bigger picture.

Then again, I haven't looked very far ho ho ho.
Haha what? That's quite beside the point.

"Studies show that you need to breathe oxygen to live."
"What? Screw those studies they mention nothing of the effect drinking water!"

:juji:

[Lobo]

As if all the people that eat red meat here don't eat any starches/refined carbs.

[[RozoN]]

Just be somewhat muss and then lounge about the meat department all day

Is that the secret to winning at life, Steve?! :shocked:

[Steve]

No, just winning at meat consumption

It really holds an underlying truth:

Exercise, and all this shit hardly matters

[Skilzat85X]

Seriously, haha.

"Studies show that food is bad for you. Eating food increases your risk of becoming obese. Be careful if the only thing you do is eat food."

[DeeJay]

Recently our government has been sponsoring ads to notify Australians to eat red meat 3-4 times a week.

[Martial Way]

I think its a unanimous decision. That article is a stupid dung heap of propaganda and pseudo scientific bullshit

[Sakanem]

I think its a unanimous decision. That article is a stupid dung heap of propaganda and pseudo scientific bullshit

So I take it you read the actual study (http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/6/562) and know enough about biology/ chemistry/ statistical methods/ anything else required to criticise it this drastically?

[Steve]

None of those people involved in the study were any of us, so while we can assume that it's possible that the same effects may carry over to our biology, we cannot say for certain that that would be so. For example, my genetics basically make me immune to heart disease, and my lifestyle prevents it even further.

[Steve]

"STUDY POPULATION

Individuals aged 50 to 71 years were recruited from 6 US states (California, Florida, Louisiana, New Jersey, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania) and 2 metropolitan areas (Atlanta, Georgia, and Detroit, Michigan) to form a large prospective cohort, the NIH-AARP Diet and Health Study."

Do you fit in this demographic? What percentage of people do? Is this a scientifically sound population?

[Sakanem]

Do you fit in this demographic? What percentage of people do? Is this a scientifically sound population?

Nope, so I don't see why people in this thread are saying that the study is bullshit because all it says really is that sedentary old people shouldn't binge on red meat and lots of crap food. Which is probably true, but doesn't affect us in the least since we're young & physically active.
I guess my main problem is that many people that have different opinions than those presented in the article at first glance instantly jump to emotional conclusions about it without actually looking at what they're criticising.
You (Steve) & Skillz are obviously right :juji:

[Martial Way]

So I take it you read the actual study (http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/169/6/562) and know enough about biology/ chemistry/ statistical methods/ anything else required to criticise it this drastically?


I read the article provided and possess common sense enough to conclude that its obvious that old people that eat a lot of fatty red meat every day and sit on their asses are going to have heart attacks and a plethora of other ailments.

This is common sense. And like steve said, they didn't even seem to take into account other types of people or their lifestyles. At least that was the drift I got from his comment. I mean what about eating lean red meat with little or no fat with vegetables and other healthy foods as well healthy activities? Why didn't they take that into account? Its just stupid, sorry

Actually no I'm not sorry... :smile:

[Kitosho]

Detroit, Michigan



note: this is where i live and work


it suddenly makes sense



when they talk about populations who "consume red meat" they're talking about people who eat fucking burger king and shit all day, as if the burger was the only thing


OF COURSE its the MEAT THE MEAT OMG WE WILL DIEIEIEIE

[anfeyd]

Haha what? That's quite beside the point.

"Studies show that you need to breathe oxygen to live."
"What? Screw those studies they mention nothing of the effect drinking water!"

:juji:

I'm not sure you understood me correctly. Studies like this suck because of what Steve previously posted and Kitosho.

[Skilzat85X]

I'm not sure you understood me correctly. Studies like this suck because of what Steve previously posted and Kitosho.
Yes yes I know, but what I'm saying is that that isn't even the scope of the study.
Obviously the stupid news media are portraying it in a way that makes it seem like red meat is bad, but the study made one point without the variables Steve and Kitosho brought out. If you do include those variables in the study, yes the results are relatively irrelevant (as far as we know). But that wasn't what was measured. It's a moot point really, yeno?
I read the article provided and possess common sense enough to conclude that its obvious that old people that eat a lot of fatty red meat every day and sit on their asses are going to have heart attacks and a plethora of other ailments.

This is common sense. And like steve said, they didn't even seem to take into account other types of people or their lifestyles. At least that was the drift I got from his comment. I mean what about eating lean red meat with little or no fat with vegetables and other healthy foods as well healthy activities? Why didn't they take that into account? Its just stupid, sorry

I think you're reacting off an intuitive emotional basis rather than putting much actual thought into this haha.

[Starter Kit]

Suuure, next they're going to be telling me milk and eggs are bad too.

[Kitosho]

i like candy candy candy

[Martial Way]

Suuure, next they're going to be telling me milk and eggs are bad too.


THEY ARE BAD FOR YOU!! Did you know water gives you cancer? And people over the age of 100 have a great risk of death than someone that is 25? It's all true my friend...all true...

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Suuure, next they're going to be telling me milk and eggs are bad too.
Refer to my sig

[Ashtar]

Meat has calories, if you eat too many calories you will have heart disease. If you exercise to use them, and so the protein is used to construct tissue and not just stored as fat, then I don't see the problem. Correlation definately until they give a plausible theory.

[Hyourinmaru]

god DAMN there are some nice replies in this thread!
lol

[Ashtar]

Don't believe the vegetarian propogandas.