The pirate who wouldn't wash. Smmeee!

[Jackamaideshwang]

Aaarrrr.
I'm thinking of not using shampoo or soap when I shower for a while, and keen to make some sort of experiment out of it. Seems to make alot of sense if you actually think about it, but anyway, has anyone had any experience in this area? Any tips or excellent knowledge unretreivable from normal web-based sources? Any insults of a personal nature?

[Victor L]

Lol ive never done that, but itd prolly make your hair super oily.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Apparantly, initially it does, but after a few weeks it goes back to normal levels. Probably because when you shampoo, the detergents remove the oils, leaving your hair oil free, meaning your head has to super compensate to replace the oils. So the less you use shampoo, the less oil you get in a given time. This is the theory anyway.

[Tricia...]

It's healthier for you if you don't shampoo so often... It dries out your scalp/hair.

I also experienced this when I visited a friend in Guadeloupe. When I told him I was going to shower, that's the only time he put shampoo in the bathroom. There was one bottle of soap in there. But when I poured some into my hand, it's was watered down. I was like wtffff O_o;;; haha. So yeah, when he showered, I think he only soaped/shampooed every once in a while and just rinsed off while he was in there. He was also like, "Do you wash your hair every day? You know that's not good for you..." And the weird thing about it was, he never ever smelled.

I kind of tried this once. It made my hair softer. But I love the smell of shampoo and am paranoid about smelling bad so I can't stop. D: haha. Maybe I'll try again though

Oh and funny you say pirate... he was a boat person. I met him because he randomly docked in front of my building. And when I visited his boat, him and his friends were such pirates. XD I know his parents were all into boat racing and everything too.

[Happy]

Yeah the oil levels in your hair return to 'normal', but you smell. I explicitly told this to my friend when he experimented with this. But if you're going to go without shampoo or soap in the shower for a while, you may as well omit the whole shower thing too and swim in a lake or a pond or something. Actually, why not take it one step further? Why not just forget about clothing except for maybe a loincloth and live with the animals...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_15ZrZXhXe8

[n3m3s1s]

I don't always use soap or shampoo when I shower, and I do it quite a lot. Haven't noticed any differences.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I'm a regular shampooer and soap and face wash dude. Soap and face wash everyday(still using proactive for pimples), and shampoo once every two or 3 days. Should be interesting what it does for the pimples. I have a feeling that the oils on your face prevent alot of the pimple-causing bacteria from overgrowing, and that from not washing the face regularly the pores won't get as blocked as the sebaceous glands aren't in overdrive (its the overproliferation of these cells that blocks the pores). Seems like a good enough theory.
And Happy, I probably would do that if I could get some other meaning to my life aswell, living like a paleolithic man would be awesome and healthy, but probably not enough by itself.

[Rahf]

At least wash and soap your body, it promotes GOOD HYGIENE. Schampooing your scalp is apparently not necessary to some, for reasons mentioned above.

[Skippy]

I know a guy who didn't wash his hair for like 3 months to see if this would work.

End result; his hair was fucking greasy and he smelled of shit all the time.

At least just wash your hair once every 2 days dude, I'd rather have slightly unhealthy hair than having the mass public avoid me all the time because I look and smell like I've just taken a bath in vegetable oil.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Thats the thing, "GOOD HYGIENE" is something pushed on us, and we don't really know any different. I'd like to think that my diet is pretty freakin good and I take care of myself pretty well in other ways - so I dont think I'll end up like some hobo. I saw this lady who didn't even go under water for 40 days and some Hygene institute tested her and she was still in the healthy normal range for bacteria etc without the harmful ones. But yeah, it's quite socially unacceptable and I do get a bit paranoid that I stink sometimes, but I don't think that I will overly smell as I'd still be having showers or swimming in lakes with animals. On the other hand, I do like to cause a raucus.

[Counterfeit Soda]

I just shave my head.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I was thinking that, and/or shave all the hair off my body so theres less for the stinky bacteria to breed in, but that's defeating the whole purpose of the purposefulness of our bodies which have lesser know purposes.

[Skippy]

Thats the thing, "GOOD HYGIENE" is something pushed on us, and we don't really know any different. I'd like to think that my diet is pretty freakin good and I take care of myself pretty well in other ways - so I dont think I'll end up like some hobo. I saw this lady who didn't even go under water for 40 days and some Hygene institute tested her and she was still in the healthy normal range for bacteria etc without the harmful ones. But yeah, it's quite socially unacceptable and I do get a bit paranoid that I stink sometimes, but I don't think that I will overly smell as I'd still be having showers or swimming in lakes with animals. On the other hand, I do like to cause a raucus.

Eurgh, you missed the point here haha.

Whether there is good or bad bacteria on you, if you smell like shit, I will tell you and then I will avoid you until you take a fucking wash.

[Ernest]

lmao

[Lobo]

Don't be such a fucking idiot "Jackamaideshwang".

[Rahf]

Jack Wang, how do you think your body feels after spending some time doing some random labour or just training in a gym. Try washing your hands after walking around grabbing barbells and dumbbells for an hour or two, it's pretty damn disgusting.

Staying clean is a decent way of at least reducing the risk of diseases, bacteria and the general dislike of everyone around you.

[Swartz]

I shower once or twice a day and pretty much always use a light amount of shampoo and conditioner on a daily basis.

[Anima]

I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

[Counterfeit Soda]

Actually, now that I think about it, even though I shave my head, I still apply a small amount of shampoo on my head, just out of habit I guess. I also use exfoliating gel, then a pore cleanser, then when I get out of the shower I apply a moisturizer on my face and head. I generally shower twice a day or more. Once when I wake up, once after the gym, and once before bed.

[Swartz]

I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.
That's fantastic. We should all strive to be this metrosexual.

[shengoikee]

it's been a while since i read that.

looking good doesn't require you to be that metro haha. ellis "researched" that and he's fat anyway.

just exfoliate like twice a week and cleanse/moisturise like 3 or 4 times

don't eat shit and get a tan

job done

oh and be somewhat muss and lounge about the bench all day

[Swartz]

My personal hygiene is pretty much as follows:

Daily:

- Shower with facial cleanser, bodywash, shampoo and conditioner.
- Shave with a razor.
- Floss, brush and mouthwash.
- Apply benzyl peroxide to face for acne, followed by a moisturizer.
- Lip balm.
- Deodorant.

Repeating all above steps at night minus the hair cleansing, shave and deodorant.

Weekly or bi-weekly:
- Body hair grooming, nail cutting, etc.

Monthly:
- Haircut

I also tan occasionally with summer approaching.

[TKD_Andy]

if you dont wash for 7 weeks your body secretes a chemical which acts as a natural shampoo. However as we're more evolutinarily developed, this chemical does sweet fuck all in real terms.

just shave your head.

*edit*

smee:

http://www.hoosierwoodindiana.com/Smee1.JPG

[Jackamaideshwang]

It's more about keeping your bodies natural secretions. Your skin naturally has an 'acid mantle' to it, which acts as the prime antibacterial agent normally, so now I won't be using any detergents to remove that. It's like the whole thing with washing vaginas, everyone says it's bad because they can get infections and problems because it stops the vagina from taking care of itself with all its normal secretions and bacteria. I've got a feeling the skin also has the natural balance of good bacteria etc, like the vagina, the GI tract, and maybe even the mouth (on a minimal carb diet most likely). The oils are also beneficial for vitamin D conversion, and washing them off after you go in the sun inhibits that somewhat.
I've also got a feeling, the whole "must be oil free, if not you'll get pimples and bacteria and die" thing is a lot like the heart disease crap floating around and severely lacking real evidence
I won't be dirty either, I will still wash the dirt off my hands and body, just without chemicals. The only problem is the armpit area - as I usually need to scrub it clean with soap to remove the odor. I've heard apple cider vinegar, lime juice, something acidic etc can stop the bacteria from preventing the odor.

How much are you guys paying for all your products? I normally have a routine much like Swartz, but with getting most the known health degenerating factors out of my diet, it's becoming increasing hard to justify putting known carcinogens and neurotoxins on my skin just to stay with the social norms.

[Churoflip]

My Grandgrandfather hasnt showered in 12 or 13 years, im for cereal.

[540Ninja]

Haha I shower maybe once a day, using a little soap. I will shampoo like every other day or every third day. If you have very short hair like me, shampoo isn't necessary all the time. When my hair was a bit longer I shampooed every day.

Oh and when I washed my face every day with all that oil removing shit, I had acne. When I stopped, and just rinsed it every other day, my skin improved tenfold.

[Tocowujo]

Go for 14 days... Are you up for the challenge?!

[Jackamaideshwang]

Yeah, 540ninja, I've got a feeling my acne will clear up if I don't use any stuff.
Haha, "I only washed my face with Volcan water and now I'm more athletic and feeling great"

[Kitosho]

Go for 14 days... Are you up for the challenge?!





Hahahahahaha

[Jackamaideshwang]

I think I'll keep a photo diary, starting whenever I can find my camera and still washing with soap n shampoo for 4 or so days in a row to provide some sort of comparison to when I stop. That should satisfy the 'pics or it didn't happen', and possibly provide some sort of objective results. The only thing is the underarms, as they can get quite potent. I'm not sure if they will sort themselves out and somehow become less stinky, or if it wouldn't harm any processes by giving it a wash with some apple cider vinegar or just normal vinegar.

[Swartz]

You've got to be fucking me in the ass.

[Skippy]

Jack you are the biggest fucking idiot ever.

"I'm not going to wash, but my armpits smell so I'll just wash them with vinegar".


You genuinely have got to be fucking me in the ass.

[Alexx]

my girlfriend is allergic to soap or something so she cant use stuff like that in the shower at all, she has to shampoo her hair over the side of the shower, but soap anywhere on her skin is a no no.

[Anima]

it's been a while since i read that.

looking good doesn't require you to be that metro haha. ellis "researched" that and he's fat anyway.

just exfoliate like twice a week and cleanse/moisturise like 3 or 4 times

don't eat shit and get a tan

job done

oh and be somewhat muss and lounge about the bench all day

I'm reading the book at the moment, I'm really enjoying it. :smile:

[Tricia...]

hokaaayy... I haven't washed my hair in about 2 days. It looks wet... but it's not. haha I look kinda gross. I don't smell bad though. Maybe there's a threshold I've got to break through to reach that equilibrium for a normal secretion of oil. Hmm, I think I'll do this experiment in about a month or so... when I dont have things I have to keep getting pretty for.

and washing your pits with vinegar sounds soo disgusting. lol Since you want it all natural, right, there's this rock my parents used to use in the shower or as a deodorant or somethin. I'm not sure if they still do. But, here...
http://www.krystallove.com.au/images/uploads/DSCF0869.JPG

try that?

[anfeyd]

Jack seems odd....can it be Rock_Ten in disguise....?


http://www.nashvillescholars.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/arthur-conan-doyle-sherlock-holmes.jpg

[540Ninja]

hokaaayy... I haven't washed my hair in about 2 days. It looks wet... but it's not. haha I look kinda gross. I don't smell bad though. Maybe there's a threshold I've got to break through to reach that equilibrium for a normal secretion of oil. Hmm, I think I'll do this experiment in about a month or so... when I dont have things I have to keep getting pretty for.

and washing your pits with vinegar sounds soo disgusting. lol Since you want it all natural, right, there's this rock my parents used to use in the shower or as a deodorant or somethin. I'm not sure if they still do. But, here...
http://www.krystallove.com.au/images/uploads/DSCF0869.JPG

try that?

Crack cocaine is not a safe alternative to vinegar Tricia...

[Tricia...]

Crack cocaine is not a safe alternative to vinegar Tricia...

But cocaine numbs the sebaceous glands which secrete my fat containing oils, keeping them from being functional, therefore preventing the breakdown of the bacteria which causes odor, and ultimately preventing my pits from smelling bad..... It's the best solution.

EDIT*
Okay, here's a better picture of it that doesn't look like cocaine. XD
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_v57ov9bigW8/SaXFgmRaTmI/AAAAAAAAA9U/byxsHzE3mQg/s320/deodorant.jpeg

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/item/itemKey/57886
I think that's the product... But i don't know, I've never bought it myself.

[Churoflip]

Looks like some sort of ice to me.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Yay Tricia! I'm pretty sure there is a threshold, you'll get heaps of oil now, because of the over production, but then as the oil gradually leaves your hair, it will alledgedly get less oily, plus the head wouldn't be overproducing it at that stage.Thanks for the tips. You use dilluted vinegar, it doesn't have all the shit all the normal products have in it, and apparantly you don't smell of it after. The armpit vinegar thing is quite the conundrum, as I'm not sure if there is a purpose to having the whole armpit bacteria thing like the face and other areas, or if I do use vinegar, it won't really be messing anything up. I've got a feeling that it will just get stinky, because of it's location, and that I don't require the stink/ bacteria for any processes, which means it won't be stupid to do the vinegar thing. Plus I'm not doing this to be a social douche, it's a health thing, so if it doesn't effect my health, I might aswell be pleasant to be around.

[Vegetable]

I shower thrice daily and feel clean all the time. :good:

[Jackamaideshwang]

Drug addicts take drugs just to feel normal. Does anyone have any ideas as to the purpose of a stinky armpit? I've heard that what makes the armpits stink so much is the special glands secret a slightly different oil (glands also found in groin and feet), which special 'anaerobic' bacteria like, which produces the stink. Now, the armpit doesn't get much air in normal clothes and I doubt the body developed it's systems around wearing shirts and jumpers, so maybe if I get enough air to my armpits(wear singlets), the 'aerobic' bacteria will start to repopulate, balance out the 'anaerobic' bacteria (much like we need a bacterial balance in the GI tract and vagina), and counteract the stink.
It's a bit of a crackpot theory, I may need some input for theories about the purpose of armpit's flora.

I also found something cool recently, that rises in sex hormones produce more of this special oil. Have a shower, get clean, have a fap and smell your pits after. You'l get a distictive smell, it's something I've always noticed, but thought it was due to the physical activity.

[Tricia...]

Maybe it's just that it's not as aired out as other parts of your body (even if we all walked around naked), therefore producing anaerobic bacteria. If people's positions were naturally with their arms raised 24/7, maybe we wouldn't have developed smelly armpits? Hmm... Okay so, the warmest parts of your body are your crotch and your pits. It makes sense cuz there's always friction there when you walk and such. These parts of your body are also where the coarse hair grows. I'm guessing it's something all interrelated with that. Lack of air + more heat + hair = smelliness


I also found something cool recently, that rises in sex hormones produce more of this special oil. Have a shower, get clean, have a fap and smell your pits after. You'l get a distictive smell, it's something I've always noticed, but thought it was due to the physical activity.

.... what... haha

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hmmm yeah, that's what I was thinking, theres more of a mechanical reason for stinky armpits rather than a physiological purpose. This means though, that using vinegar or those crystal deoderant rocks won't be affecting the health side of the experiment. I don't know about those mineral salts though. Thanks for your helpful input Tricia, I appreciate it.
I'm wouldn't exactly stink for the pheromones either, apparantly they don't work in humans anymore, maybe a leftover from primates?

[Tricia...]

Maybe it is the flora, like you mentioned before, as the mechanical reason, since more bacteria does accumulate there. It's just weird to think of armpits having flora just cuz it's not a mucous membrane or somethin. I'd say the only way dealing with the armpits is unhealthy is using antiperspirants. I don't think either the crystals or vinegar do that. I guess I could see vinegar disintegrating bacteria or somethin. But, I'm not sure about that smell washing out easily, even if it is diluted. er I don't know

And i think pheromones still work. At least this documentary I watched mentioned we have them, but when we smell it, it's not conscious. It also talked about people being attracted to certain others because of those pheromones. We're attracted to people who have a smell close to our own...

[tpvlyrm]

if you dont wash for 7 weeks your body secretes a chemical which acts as a natural shampoo. However as we're more evolutinarily developed, this chemical does sweet fuck all in real terms.

Andrew, this isn't the first time you've talked complete shit about isues of biology. I suggest that you refrain from doing so in future.

[tpvlyrm]

I have long hair and unfortunately not washing it for long periods of time has always proved unsuccessful. It gets very greasy and it's difficult to even it out, so the end of my hair becomes very dry while nearer my scalp is thick and greasy. Brushing and combing it both removes a lot of grease, and spreads it out, as does rubbing my hair down in the shower. But it still is all fucked up. Lately I have tried using plain soap (i.e. sodium salts of a few different fatty acids, with no gay colours or scents or anything else) on my hair. It does de-grease it nicely, but makes it very dry and stiff, kind of like a horse's mane.

On my body I use soap, again just plain soap, and I try to have a shower every day. As I tend away from that schedule I can get some spots on my back and such, which is ghey.

Talking of scents and fragrances, such as deodorants and perfumes - does anyone else here find them completely unappealing, even repulsive? A woman wearing any kind of scent is completely de-sexualised in my eyes. Smells are great. BUT OMG no you have to buy all thems deodorants and perfumes or else everyone will hate you and you'll find yourself in embararssing situations, just like the person in the advert. And wearing their product will make you utterly irresistable to the opposite sex. Oh, and opposite sex, btw anyone who wears that product is to be found irresistable, ok?
Good, ok.

The gay thing is that that kind of crap actually works. Everyone's an idiot.
I've been seeing this girlez lately but I have very serious reservations about it, largely because she wears deodorant and small amounts of makeup. And uses loads of other gaygayGAY pointless washing products. It is a great shame.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Yeah, I agree Tricia, the scent's still work in people, I just read some crappy person's stupid words, and went with it before I looked at some journals.
And tpvlyrm, I too find this, I think with alot of people too, they find the more natural the person the more attractive. I'm lucky my gf doesn't wear makeup, and I don't find her smell after hockey offensive. If you think about it, most veiws of attractiveness are a direct result of product marketing ('unacceptable body hair' sells razors, 'unacceptable menses' sells tampons, 'unacceptable body odor' sells deoderants and soaps, 'unacceptable gut' sells the fucking AbKing 8000 or some shit). Most of the ingredients and processes are unhealthy and are no doubt causing problems in later years, most notable sodium lauryl sulphate. Just look it up and see the problems it causes, then look at your products in your cupboard. I'll give you 5 dollars if you can't say "I'm screwed" after doing that. SLS is bioaccumulative too, and its in the freaking toothpaste! (putting a bioaccumulative toxic substance on a mucus membrane is not a good idea). Anyway, I'll try not to rant about it any more in this thread, we all know how emotional rant threads turn out. Thanks for your input guys, I'm finding all this quite interesting.

[tpvlyrm]

sodium lauryl sulphate. Just look it up and see the problems it causes, then look at your products in your cupboard. I'll give you 5 dollars if you can't say "I'm screwed" after doing that.

You owe me $5 :juji:

[Jackamaideshwang]

Not phased by it? It's the main reason I'm going to experiment with not using all the stuff. Although I can imagine you turning red and steam coming out your ears not saying it. Unless you don't have anything in your cupboard...... or don't have a cupboard! You bastard.

[tpvlyrm]

Not phased by it? It's the main reason I'm going to experiment with not using all the stuff. Although I can imagine you turning red and steam coming out your ears not saying it. Unless you don't have anything in your cupboard...... or don't have a cupboard! You bastard.

Yea, as I mentioned the only product I really use for cleaning and such is plain soap. Nothing I put in or on me contains SDS. Or SLS if you prefer.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Nice, not even toothpaste? I've heard people brush with baking soda and clay, or coconut oil. I think it's the mechanical act of brushing the teeth that actually helps, as all you need to do is remove the bacteria from being attached to the teeth, to stop causing plaque and after that calculus (the calcium hardened form of plaque). I'm quite interested in not using toothpaste aswell, this would probably have the biggest positive impact on health. I'm already on a a very low carb diet, so having sugar in my mouth won't be a problem, and apparantly getting more sun and increasing fat intake can help the teeth heal(remineralise) it's own cavities.


Another interesting fact is that many hair loss treatments use topical vitamin D, and it appears to work. 7-Dehydrocholesterol is converted to vitamin D after a few reactions and in contact with Ultra violet radiation. 7-Dehydrocholesterol is found in sebum, secreted from the head onto the hair. Without the sebum(shampoo removes sebum), theres no 7-Dehydrocholesterol, meaning no or alot less vitamin D on the head, possibly meaning a tendancy to lose your hair. Now that would be a groundbreaking experiment to carry out.

[tpvlyrm]

Nice, not even toothpaste? I've heard people brush with baking soda and clay, or coconut oil. I think it's the mechanical act of brushing the teeth that actually helps, as all you need to do is remove the bacteria from being attached to the teeth, to stop causing plaque and after that calculus (the calcium hardened form of plaque). I'm quite interested in not using toothpaste aswell, this would probably have the biggest positive impact on health. I'm already on a a very low carb diet, so having sugar in my mouth won't be a problem, and apparantly getting more sun and increasing fat intake can help the teeth heal(remineralise) it's own cavities.

Yea, I haven't used any toothpaste for a while. I don't find myself able to clean my teeth quite as well without it, I think that having something other than saliva and water in your mouth while brushing is probably beneficial to the cleaning process.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Ah nice. The toothpastes nowdays are quite unneccessary. The only thing i've read about what brushing your teeth does is to remove the bacteria. Toothpaste isn't even antibacterial - so what the hell does all that stuff do in it? What is your diet like as well (real question)? I'm quite intrigued by your personal hygeine habits.
Maybe you just need another medium to increase frictional forces. Some Sudanese women chew on sticks, and they have the same dental hygeine as people who use toothebrushes.

[Swartz]

You probably smell and look like a hobo Jack.

[Skippy]

Ah nice. The toothpastes nowdays are quite unneccessary. The only thing i've read about what brushing your teeth does is to remove the bacteria.

AND HAVE FUCKING NICE SMELLING BREATH SO PEOPLE DON'T GET REPULSED BY THE SMELL OF YOUR RAT SHIT BREATH WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM.

Are you intentionally trying to make yourself into the most unapproachable person possible dude? I bet you end up being like one of those god damn natural freako people...

"I DRINK MY OWN PISS EVERY DAY BECAUSE IT GETS RID OF ALL THE TOXINS IN MY BODY, AND I EAT MY OWN SHIT BECAUSE I'M A VEGAN, THEN I BRUSH MY TEETH WITH STONES AND WASH MY FACE WITH SANDPAPER. I DON'T USE DEODORANT, IT'S BAD FOR THE WORLD SO INSTEAD I JUST USE THE LEFT OVER URINE AFTER I'VE HAD A GOOD SHAKE AND SPLASH IT ON MY FACE AND ARMPITS".

Jesus christ.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hahaha, I was thinking that, but then I realised that I take care of my health, don't reek of alcohol, and at least go under running water.
And Skippy, I haven't had bad breath since I haven't been eating the sugars, even upon waking. But yes, I'm starting to think I may become a "natural freako person"(without all the piss and shit), but because I'm such an admirable citizen, this will become a major trend.... And why are you so worried about what people think, or going by the norms? I'm using a bit of lateral thinking to improve my health, and you're saying "but no-body else does it!?!?!"

[Skippy]

I'm trying to save you from social disaster! none of these things are that bad for you bro, you're not going to die from using toothpaste, you're not going to end the world by using deodorant, and you're not going to lose your hair if you shampoo it.

A few weeks into this man when no-one wants to talk to you anymore in person because you smell like a corpse, at least I told you it would happen.

[540Ninja]

Well just because that shit isn't going to kill you doesn't mean it's not bad for your overall health.

And it's possible not to smell like shit without using all those products on your skin. He never said he was going to live with farm animals or anything. Damn guys....

[Confucius]

AND HAVE FUCKING NICE SMELLING BREATH SO PEOPLE DON'T GET REPULSED BY THE SMELL OF YOUR RAT SHIT BREATH WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM.

Are you intentionally trying to make yourself into the most unapproachable person possible dude? I bet you end up being like one of those god damn natural freako people...

"I DRINK MY OWN PISS EVERY DAY BECAUSE IT GETS RID OF ALL THE TOXINS IN MY BODY, AND I EAT MY OWN SHIT BECAUSE I'M A VEGAN, THEN I BRUSH MY TEETH WITH STONES AND WASH MY FACE WITH SANDPAPER. I DON'T USE DEODORANT, IT'S BAD FOR THE WORLD SO INSTEAD I JUST USE THE LEFT OVER URINE AFTER I'VE HAD A GOOD SHAKE AND SPLASH IT ON MY FACE AND ARMPITS".

Jesus christ.


Hahaha. Makes me think, I haven't brushed my teeth in 3 days.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Aaarrrr.
I'm thinking of not using shampoo or soap when I shower for a while, and keen to make some sort of experiment out of it. Seems to make alot of sense if you actually think about it, but anyway, has anyone had any experience in this area? Any tips or excellent knowledge unretreivable from normal web-based sources? Any insults of a personal nature?The only real tip I have is that if you have a mobile shower head & can alter it's power that you take it off & blast your armpits, even though the odour is supposed to attract the opposite sex I'm pretty sure we have surpassed those natural occurrences when gay ass toiletries & scents become the norm for society.

Apparantly, initially it does, but after a few weeks it goes back to normal levels. Probably because when you shampoo, the detergents remove the oils, leaving your hair oil free, meaning your head has to super compensate to replace the oils. So the less you use shampoo, the less oil you get in a given time. This is the theory anyway.I have tested this theory & for me it has worked, I found that after a few weeks my hair stopped producing as much oil & became quite a lot dryer naturally which I was pleased with because my hair used to get oily as hell even just a few hours after washing it.

Thats the thing, "GOOD HYGIENE" is something pushed on us, and we don't really know any different. I'd like to think that my diet is pretty freakin good and I take care of myself pretty well in other ways - so I dont think I'll end up like some hobo. I saw this lady who didn't even go under water for 40 days and some Hygene institute tested her and she was still in the healthy normal range for bacteria etc without the harmful ones. But yeah, it's quite socially unacceptable and I do get a bit paranoid that I stink sometimes, but I don't think that I will overly smell as I'd still be having showers or swimming in lakes with animals. On the other hand, I do like to cause a raucus.Good hygiene & smelling nice are not necessarily related, if somebody is offended by the way you smell tell em to go fuck themselves, I rarely use shower gel or shampoo, nobody seems to have a problem with it; at least not enough to say anything to my face. I use shampoo probably about every two to three weeks & shower gel probably even less, I also only brush my teeth once or twice a week, maybe once every two weeks; whenever they feel gritty & hairy.

[Swartz]

God you guys are repulsive.

Before anyone tries to argue it:

It's not manly either.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Awesome, thanks for the tips dude. It good to hear other people going against the grain a little too.
Alrighty, I start not using the stuff tomorrow, heres the "with shampoo, face wash, body wash, toothpaste, deoderant" picture, taken approximately 3:40 pm, after work and after being in the sun for 30 mins. I'll take all the next photo's upon waking, once a day, with 2 downward wipes of the hand to get hair down (so you can see how managable the hair is). I don't think people would want me to post pictures everyday, so I'll post them when I think no more changes will be seen. I may start having to use apple cider vinegar under my arms if work isn't happy with my aroma , but everything else will hopefully stand.
My daily routine will closely resemble this:
Wake up, then take picture.
Eat
Shower - with water only
Brush teeth - with water only
Normal day
Shower - with water only
Brush teeth- with water only
Shaving face with electric razor beard attachment every couple of days.
I'm going to buy a diary and start a proper food + exercise + healthful activities log so the cause of changes in whatever can be better understood. I'll just have to stay motivated enough to do that.
Thanks for everyone's input, it's not something thats discussed or even given any thought in normal situations, I hope it's stimulated some thought amongst you guys too. I'm doing this for better health, and a prevention of health issues when I get old, so I can enjoy life for as long as possible (and I'm doing it so show some of you that you don't need all those products). Who's with me?! Yaaarrr!
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030101.jpg
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030102.jpg
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030103.jpg

[Swartz]

I'm against you. I highly recommend benzyl peroxide at least by the looks of it. Oh wait that would go against everything you stand for.

[tpvlyrm]

What is your diet like as well (real question)? I'm quite intrigued by your personal hygeine habits.

I don't eat that well any more - I get lazy and eat far too much oats and milk. I just had 400g of oats and a litre of milk for breakfast, for over 2000 calories... lolz

Low-carb diets fail for me, I spent years involved with them but never felt right. I am a lot better off eating carbs, mostly from oats. Apart from that kind of meal then I generally eat meat and vegetables, cooked in various ways. Mostly beef, lamb and chicken. I eat cheese quite a bit as well. Fruit a lot. Other dairy products like yoghurt and shit. I eat around three times per day. I don't drink a great deal of water, maybe a couple of litres per day. I used to drink a lot more but then I tried not doing so, and felt the same. I always drink some water and swill it around my mouth immediately after a meal, and I think this prevents bad breath quite well. My mouth feels completely different if I don't do that.


I, too, might tend to think that offensive odours, from the armpits or mouth, for example, could be taken as a sign of poor health rather than an inevitable feature of human body, that requires regular attention to prevent and cover-up.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I understand Swartz, I recommended that to myself and have been using it for the last 4 years (the whole proactive thing). It doesn't do very much at all for the pimples. And I really don't mind you being against me, the thread would be shit without another veiwpoint, but I aim to show you the green grass on the other side. And thanks for not swearing or trying to ruin the thread, you've really cleaned up your act lately.

tpvlyrm, I'm going better than ever on low carb (especially uni), I guess everyone is different. Your diet is about the opposite of mine, so that should make this experiment a bit more interesting.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

God you guys are repulsive.

Before anyone tries to argue it:

It's not manly either.
It's primitive & interesting

[Swartz]

I understand Swartz, I recommended that to myself and have been using it for the last 4 years (the whole proactive thing). It doesn't do very much at all for the pimples. And I really don't mind you being against me, the thread would be shit without another veiwpoint, but I aim to show you the green grass on the other side. And thanks for not swearing or trying to ruin the thread, you've really cleaned up your act lately.

tpvlyrm, I'm going better than ever on low carb (especially uni), I guess everyone is different. Your diet is about the opposite of mine, so that should make this experiment a bit more interesting.
Well fuck proactive. Skin irritation is what always caused most of my breakouts. Being gentle is the main thing. I use a 10% bp by clean&clear and a skin moisturizer after. Different brands can make a big difference. Visit www.acne.org and check out the regimine. I think it's the most practical treatment that works. I used to be pretty severe but I've mostly found out what works. Trust me acne is a bitch and you know that as well. Took me years to find something that worked enough for me not to feel like shit constantly.

Haha "cleaned up my act." Yes I suppose. We're all adults here.

[Papa Lazarou]

At the moment I only wash my hair with shampoo once a fortnight or something.

It sort of works...

But! My brother hasn't washed his hair in like a year, and you wouldn't know the difference. His hair is fine.

[Swartz]

At the moment I only wash my hair with shampoo once a fortnight or something.

It sort of works...

But! My brother hasn't washed his hair in like a year, and you wouldn't know the difference. His hair is fine.

Have you caressed his scalp and stuck your nose right up against his head lovingly to know for sure?

[Papa Lazarou]

I have actually.

[Swartz]

Awww brotherly love...

[Theomacho]

Yeah, I agree Tricia, the scent's still work in people, I just read some crappy person's stupid words, and went with it before I looked at some journals.
And tpvlyrm, I too find this, I think with alot of people too, they find the more natural the person the more attractive. I'm lucky my gf doesn't wear makeup, and I don't find her smell after hockey offensive. If you think about it, most veiws of attractiveness are a direct result of product marketing ('unacceptable body hair' sells razors, 'unacceptable menses' sells tampons, 'unacceptable body odor' sells deoderants and soaps, 'unacceptable gut' sells the fucking AbKing 8000 or some shit). Most of the ingredients and processes are unhealthy and are no doubt causing problems in later years, most notable sodium lauryl sulphate. Just look it up and see the problems it causes, then look at your products in your cupboard. I'll give you 5 dollars if you can't say "I'm screwed" after doing that. SLS is bioaccumulative too, and its in the freaking toothpaste! (putting a bioaccumulative toxic substance on a mucus membrane is not a good idea). Anyway, I'll try not to rant about it any more in this thread, we all know how emotional rant threads turn out. Thanks for your input guys, I'm finding all this quite interesting.
I have long hair and unfortunately not washing it for long periods of time has always proved unsuccessful. It gets very greasy and it's difficult to even it out, so the end of my hair becomes very dry while nearer my scalp is thick and greasy. Brushing and combing it both removes a lot of grease, and spreads it out, as does rubbing my hair down in the shower. But it still is all fucked up. Lately I have tried using plain soap (i.e. sodium salts of a few different fatty acids, with no gay colours or scents or anything else) on my hair. It does de-grease it nicely, but makes it very dry and stiff, kind of like a horse's mane.

On my body I use soap, again just plain soap, and I try to have a shower every day. As I tend away from that schedule I can get some spots on my back and such, which is ghey.

Talking of scents and fragrances, such as deodorants and perfumes - does anyone else here find them completely unappealing, even repulsive? A woman wearing any kind of scent is completely de-sexualised in my eyes. Smells are great. BUT OMG no you have to buy all thems deodorants and perfumes or else everyone will hate you and you'll find yourself in embararssing situations, just like the person in the advert. And wearing their product will make you utterly irresistable to the opposite sex. Oh, and opposite sex, btw anyone who wears that product is to be found irresistable, ok?
Good, ok.

The gay thing is that that kind of crap actually works. Everyone's an idiot.
I've been seeing this girlez lately but I have very serious reservations about it, largely because she wears deodorant and small amounts of makeup. And uses loads of other gaygayGAY pointless washing products. It is a great shame.

I agree with both of you about how advertisement have brain fucked the people of this era and how fucking annoying it is when they put hazardous substances in hygeine products etc.

AND HAVE FUCKING NICE SMELLING BREATH SO PEOPLE DON'T GET REPULSED BY THE SMELL OF YOUR RAT SHIT BREATH WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM.

Are you intentionally trying to make yourself into the most unapproachable person possible dude? I bet you end up being like one of those god damn natural freako people...

"I DRINK MY OWN PISS EVERY DAY BECAUSE IT GETS RID OF ALL THE TOXINS IN MY BODY, AND I EAT MY OWN SHIT BECAUSE I'M A VEGAN, THEN I BRUSH MY TEETH WITH STONES AND WASH MY FACE WITH SANDPAPER. I DON'T USE DEODORANT, IT'S BAD FOR THE WORLD SO INSTEAD I JUST USE THE LEFT OVER URINE AFTER I'VE HAD A GOOD SHAKE AND SPLASH IT ON MY FACE AND ARMPITS".

Jesus christ.

You're blowing this out of proportion, and don't neglect urine 'til you tried it.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Natural freako person day 3 - No real differences to when I was using the cosmetics all the time, possibly smell less under my arms (or have gotten used to it).
Theomacho, it's pretty rewarding to break free of all that crap, like I don't wear shoes to places sometimes if I don't need to, don't worry about styling the hair, or the fashionable clothes. You can pretty much live with the blissful innocence of a child, very few self concious thoughts, doing whatever you please or is most fun or enjoyable. I ride the bus with no hands so you have to balance and really lean into the corners, it makes the bus ride really fun- you'd be wasting your life if you were too self concious to have fun. I guess trickers could really understand that.

[tpvlyrm]

I ride the bus with no hands so you have to balance and really lean into the corners, it makes the bus ride really fun

hah, yea that's fun to do.

[540Ninja]

If you cut your hair short it would make your hair way less greasy and nobody would notice. I'm doing the same thing as you at the moment and with short hair, a rinse is all that's necessary anyway.

[Sara]

I shampoo and condition my hair everyday
i know its not good for me or anything
but i can't help it

[Swartz]

So do I and I call bullshit about it really being "bad" for you, especially for someone like me that gets his hair cut around once a month anyway.

[tpvlyrm]

So do I and I call bullshit about it really being "bad" for you, especially for someone like me that gets his hair cut around once a month anyway.

It could be "bad" for the rest of your head and body, not just your hair, which as you say you never keep for very long anyway.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Awesome dude, my hair only needs a rinse too, it's not greasy at all, even with plenty of exercise.
Sara, it's probably quite hard to do that seeing as you're still in high school, I probably would have been too self concious. But I commend you if you can do it.
Haha Swartz, the bad stuff gets absorbed into the skin, so getting haircuts doesn't really change anything if I understand you correctly.
http://www.organicguide.com/blog/living-well/protecting-yourself-from-dangerous-shampoo-products/
http://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&lr=&id=MM3iNjKKHD4C&oi=fnd&pg=PP16&dq=harmful+cosmetics&ots=RX4MPeR0k4&sig=nvNxLIix4gLOvFzbPoo1hkgGPJw#PPA1,M1 - this seems like an interesting read
You're right that it does need more research, and widespread things like this are hard to pinpoint an effect, because everyone does it so there's not too much to compare the practices to whilst keeping a similar population and it's likely the chronic effect of years of using the cosmetic products that do the damage. Yet they know that it is acutely damaging to the skin and body, and in very large doses some products do kill. In my veiw, if something is acutely damaging of a toxic nature, it isn't good for my health, and chronic use of it is asking for problems in years to come.

[Swartz]

It could be "bad" for the rest of your head and body, not just your hair, which as you say you never keep for very long anyway.
I don't give a fuck I'm going to do it anyway.

[Ashtar]

If you cut your hair short it would make your hair way less greasy and nobody would notice. I'm doing the same thing as you at the moment and with short hair, a rinse is all that's necessary anyway.This really depends on how you define 'greasy'.

Here is something I can speak from experience of having both been bald and having long hair...

Long hair is actually less greasy in terms of a grease per section of hair area. This is because, your scalp is going to generate roughly the same amount of oil regardless of your hair length. If you have more hair, then the oil trickles down the length of the hair, so it spreads out better.

If you have short hair, then there is nowhere to spread it out to, so it just focuses on the small bit of hair that you have.

Now, as for why long hair seems greasier, here are several reasons why:

1. People with long hair don't wash as frequently because it takes longer to wash and to dry.

2. When they do wash their hair, the shampoos used to remove excess oil do not always penetrate as deeply as someone with short hair.

3. Similarly, when conditioners are put in, it is harder to fully rinse out the conditioners, so some might be left behind, conditioners are sort of oily since they are used to restore the vitamins and stuff you lose when you strip oils with aggressive shampoos.

4. When going without shampooing, long hair can build up a greater total amount of oil, as in, it takes more to fully saturate it. You fully saturate short hair much faster, and at that point the excess is just going to fall on the floor or your shirt collar or give you acne or something like that. But for someone who just touches your head, naturally they will squeeze out more oil, because long hair just has a bigger surface area.

[Swartz]

Even if I didn't use conditioner on my hair I'd still use it on my cock!

[540Ninja]

Ahstar, I see what you mean, however, it's all pretty irrelevant really.

It's been about 2 weeks for me without shampoo in my hair and in this time I have also refrained from washing my face. I do use soap though(on my body only), I'm not going as extreme as Jackwhateverwang is.

My hair is now softer than it's ever been in my life, not really oily or greasy at all.
My face no longer has acne, it's almost completely gone,which doesn't surprise me.

Think about it, the companies who make acne products tell you that washing your face with their product will clear up your skin, so you do it. But after your acne is "cured" you don't need it anymore, and they stop making money. That's not a very good business technique my friends. Instead the stuff actually keeps your acne around so you keep using it which = more money for them.

If they told you the actual truth that you don't need to excessively strip the natural oils from your skin(which are there for a reason) you don't need to buy anything at all, and they ass be goin outta bidness, yadada mean? fo sho yadada mean...

[Swartz]

You're all full of it.

[chicanerous]

I only wash my hair after I go to the gym, which is usually three times per week. I rinse it almost every day though.

I use body soap maybe once every week or two just for kicks.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Good to hear yours is going well 540Ninja, it's quite a dishonest or at least ignorant consumer society we live in - knowledge based critical perspectives can usually sort them out pretty quick..if anyone bothers to do so.
Its been about a week since I stopped using cosmetics and started living as a pirate. My face is about the same - possibly better with less large pimples and seemingly faster healing. Hair is slightly greasier and teeth are about the same.
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030160.jpg http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030161.jpg http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030162-1.jpg I combed my hair, and the greasiness just sort of left, as is evident in this one http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030163.jpg

Overall it hasnt really affected me at all. Nobody has noticed either, and my mother said I look better, and also that she thinks I'm cool.

[Skippy]

Jack do you lift? you look to have broad shoulders.

Your skin actually looks a little clearer to be honest. So long as you don't start drinking and eating your own faeces, I may be able to turn to supporting your actions.

[tpvlyrm]

yea, post a body pic. People with your kind of face seem to be a bit naturally muss.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Yeah I'm getting back into lifting weights. I think the shoulders are a bit of a trick, because my arms are holding the camera up, I'd say I have about average shoulder width. Thanks for the kind words dude, I'm hoping once people see that I look the same/better people would be willing to try this.

I might post some in the "Post your physique" thread.

[Starter Kit]

Yes, I must actually say your skin does look clearer in that picture but I'm not sure if that's a result of lighting or what and your hair certainly looked less greasy after the last pic.

[Shaedar]

Ok, I haven't posted in this thread although I did read it and tried this on my own, since it's kind of logical.

Well, it's been 14 days since I last washed my hair with shampoo. Since then I've been washing them only with water, almost everyday because it got really greasy. Things sorted out to some degree after a week but still, my hair is somewhat greasy.
I use natural, homemade soap with bits of herbs for body and it works (and smells) great.
I washed my face only with water and some pimples spurt out. This also happens if I don't shave for a long time and I haven't done so for almost a month now.

I feel the same as before, I only began to look like a hobo. I don't care that much about it, I got work in a glass cutting factory and it really doesn't matter.
However, I have to go to school tommorow so I'll take a full scale shower today.

Edit:
I found a pic when I got a new hair cut, with freshly washed hair a week or so before I tried this "experiment" and I took one now for comparison.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/Shaedar_album/HAIRDAY.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/Shaedar_album/greasmonkey.jpg

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

You look more like Hercules, stay like that. :good:

[Jackamaideshwang]

Oooohh excellent! I've been washing my hair with water twice a day, I think thats why I'm going fine. If I had it under water once every two or three days, I think it'd be a bit greasier. I guess you could just use water more frequently if you don't want the grease and dont want the chemicals. I don't think washing with water is going to mess anything up, as the type of oil glands on our head are the same in water-dwelling creatures, so they think naturally we were regularly in the water doing stuff etc.
I work as a checkout dude at a big comercial supermarket, so they seem to think my appearance is pretty important, yet nobody has commented about anything, probably because they think I'm crazy.
Good to see you going all natural though and for 2 weeks, it would appear I'm the noob here. Nice avatar by the way.

[tpvlyrm]

I've been walking bare footed whenever I can. I now only put shoes (sandals) on when I go into shops or ride my bike. I do it every summer to some extent, but have been more into it this year. It feels great, and my posture becomes instantly awesome.

I might try living without clothes for a few weeks.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hahaha nice one. It feels freaking awesome though aye, theres this feeling of content, whilst your walking on the grass barefoot and others are on the footpaths with shoes, like you're somehow better than them :P And it's better than getting worn out knees and hips and such from an altered gait. Clothes are the gray area. Its one of the only things in that area I would let social rules dictate, especially as I have a girlfreind, she really wouldnt like it if I was walking around noodie for everyone to see.

[Shaedar]

You look more like Hercules, stay like that. :good:

Which pic ?


I walk barefoot around the house as long as I can remember. If it's warm enough of course.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

The bottom picture:good:

I walk bare foot around the woods up the road from me when I walk my dogs most of the time, my feet are like two big calluses.

[tpvlyrm]

I walk barefoot around the house as long as I can remember. If it's warm enough of course.

Shit, you fucking caveman. You're taking things way too far.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u110/Shaedar_album/greasmonkey.jpg


http://www.tvcrazy.net/tvclassics/wallpaper/pages/hercules/hercules.jpg

[Shaedar]

Shit, you fucking caveman. You're taking things way too far.

I know, this shit is beyond intense haha.

@Aiden
I'll print that out and tape it on the wall.

[tpvlyrm]

I have an important contribution.

As I mentioned, I have long hair (5.5 years since I cut it). Getting it to feel and look clean is not easy. I avoid shampoo because I am scared of the ingredients, even ones that cost £5 for a small bottle and have the word "natural" before each ingredient.

I've tried soap, but it makes my hair very dry and it tangles easily - I can't run my fingers through it. Shampoo and conditioner does make it feel great, but there's that problem mentioned above, and also it makes my head get really itchy if I don't wash my hair every day without fail. When not using shampoo, that doesn't happen.

TODAY, I finally tried something I'd heard about a lot. Basically, rinsing my hair with vinegar after washing it. I washed it thoroughly with soap, rinsed it as well as I could, and then applied a solution made up of about 1 part cheap vinegar to 25 parts warm water. It felt really, really smooth and slick on my hair, and the smell was more soapy than anything, as though it was kind of lifting the remaining soap off my hair or something... I don't know.

I had about a litre of the stuff, and poured it slowly on my head, rubbing it in, making sure it covered all my hair, and then tried packing the end of my hair into the jar, etc.

Then I rinsed it under the shower again, which removed some of the slick-shiney feel, but nowhere near all of it. Before the vinegar, and after the soap, it goes very 'dry' and rough, you see (even when still wet).

No trace of vinegar smell was left, and now my hair is dry and it feels super awesome, like when I use gay conditioners and shit. I'm so excited about it. I shall be the most beautiful gay at the ball!

[Jackamaideshwang]

Nice work man, that'd probably be better for you than shampoos and the like. Because the soap has a high pH, it reacts with the scales that make up your hair and makes them stick out, giving you that rough tangly feel. The acidic vinegar does the opposite and makes them conform more to the hair's general shape and hence get the smooth, shiny feel. It's pretty cool, that can happen with people who have a fairly basic water supply too.

An update for me as well. I have irritated gums! Not sure if its from too much and too hard brushing and flossing, or the fact I've still been eating almonds constantly throughout the day. I think without toothpaste, the brushing feels a bit harsher on my gums, so I might have to tone it down a bit. In case it's gingivitis, I'm going to rinse my mouth out with salty water a few times. It may well be gingivitis from all the almonds always in my mouth, I've got swollen lymph nodes a bit too - but that might be some unrelated infection from being heaps busy and not sleeping that much.
On the plus side, my teeth are looking and feeling awesome! They look whiter, feel smoother (don't get that rough tooth feeling, like you get after drinking coke) and possibly pointier! The molars on my left side used to be a bit sensitive when eating hard/tough things, but that seems to be clearing up too!
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030187.jpg
Hair is fine too, it's just normal now and hasn't changed in the last couple of days- not greasy either.

[Tricia...]

hmm.. that vinegar thing sounds interesting O_o;; Does it matter what kind?

I might try living without clothes for a few weeks.

lol! I wish I could do that. I would do it if I were a hermit... or never had to go out. lol Most of the time, I'm too lazy to put on clothes after a shower.

[Skippy]

In inspiration of the thread, I've tried just washing my face with warm water these last few days, my skin is so much clearer already haha. Yours is looking much better compared to the first photos.

This is such a cool thread.

[Birch]

Jack, do you trick? If so do you go to Grammar? I know your face, but I don't remember it being attached to a muss body. Where in Brisbane are you situated and what suburb shop do you work in?

[Jackamaideshwang]

Yeah I used to/getting back into it, and I went to grammar a few times, my brother Ben used to go as well. I'm at Mitchelton, and work at Arana Hills Coles. And my drivers licence number is..
I don't remember a "Birch" being at grammar.

That makes me happy Skippy:smile: , considering your first stance on the matter as well.

[Birch]

Yeah I used to/getting back into it, and I went to grammar a few times, my brother Ben used to go as well. I'm at Mitchelton, and work at Arana Hills Coles. And my drivers licence number is..
I don't remember a "Birch" being at grammar.

That makes me happy Skippy:smile: , considering your first stance on the matter as well.

Well I didn't know you by name until now. No doubt you would know if you saw me.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Oooooh the suspense. I've seen one of the guys who used to be there at UQ, a tallish guy with blonde hair.

[Birch]

Oooooh the suspense. I've seen one of the guys who used to be there at UQ, a tallish guy with blonde hair.

That would not be me haha

[Rob]

I have an important contribution.

As I mentioned, I have long hair (5.5 years since I cut it). Getting it to feel and look clean is not easy. I avoid shampoo because I am scared of the ingredients, even ones that cost £5 for a small bottle and have the word "natural" before each ingredient.

I've tried soap, but it makes my hair very dry and it tangles easily - I can't run my fingers through it. Shampoo and conditioner does make it feel great, but there's that problem mentioned above, and also it makes my head get really itchy if I don't wash my hair every day without fail. When not using shampoo, that doesn't happen.

TODAY, I finally tried something I'd heard about a lot. Basically, rinsing my hair with vinegar after washing it. I washed it thoroughly with soap, rinsed it as well as I could, and then applied a solution made up of about 1 part cheap vinegar to 25 parts warm water. It felt really, really smooth and slick on my hair, and the smell was more soapy than anything, as though it was kind of lifting the remaining soap off my hair or something... I don't know.

I had about a litre of the stuff, and poured it slowly on my head, rubbing it in, making sure it covered all my hair, and then tried packing the end of my hair into the jar, etc.

Then I rinsed it under the shower again, which removed some of the slick-shiney feel, but nowhere near all of it. Before the vinegar, and after the soap, it goes very 'dry' and rough, you see (even when still wet).

No trace of vinegar smell was left, and now my hair is dry and it feels super awesome, like when I use gay conditioners and shit. I'm so excited about it. I shall be the most beautiful gay at the ball!
Have you tried getting a haircut you goddamn hippy?!

[tpvlyrm]

Have you tried getting a haircut you goddamn hippy?!

Yea but it didn't work.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I've given in, for a few days tops. My gums were really worrying me, as they were all swollen and bleeding and such. I used a bit of toothpaste last night, and have been using mouthwash about 4 times today to try and get rid of the possible bacterial infection. I've been reading a bit about gingivitis, and most of the stuff I read was quite pleasing. They pretty much described my diet in warding off mouth problems as they seem to treat it wholistically if you look into it (to do with whole body's immune function etc). I realised I was in a bad position, busy, slightly stressed, less sleep than normal, worse diet than normal, lots of vigorous brushing with a hard toothbrush and vigorous flossing. Heres my theory, the hard toothbrush and vigorous flossing damaged my gums, allowing the imbalanced bacteria from little almond fragments sitting around in my mouth to enter the gums or at least irritate the exposed cells, and my compromised immune system wasnt good enough to fight it all off, which would also explain my swollen lymph node in my neck - and they are going down as the gums are getting better.
All this has happened within the last couple of days.
So advice to anyone willing to try without toothpaste, get your immune system going strong, don't go crazy hard brushing, because you don't need to (my teeth were whiter than before, yet had messed up gums from it), get a soft bristled toothbrush so the bacteria naturally in your mouth can't irritate your gums/minimise anything bad getting into your bloodstream, and obviously stay away from sugars and carbohydrates, as this apparantly causes the anaerobic bacteria to multiply and disturb the normal balance. There is contention whether mouth bacteria actually causes plaque and gingivitis though.
I thought I'd share.

[Shaedar]

Yea but it didn't work.

:good:

Everytime I get a haircut that slut fucks me up and disregrads any of my wishes. I think I'll try to cut it myself next time and see how it'll turn out.

Good luck with your gums Jack. Next time try brushing your teeth with lemon juice I heard it works.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Turns out my brother got it as well, and we both got new toothbrushes at the same time, the bristles are quite firm.

[Tricia...]

:good:

Everytime I get a haircut that slut fucks me up and disregrads any of my wishes. I think I'll try to cut it myself next time and see how it'll turn out.

Good luck with your gums Jack. Next time try brushing your teeth with lemon juice I heard it works.

Yeah I stopped getting haircuts from salons. I just cut it myself now. Only maybe about 3-4 times in 8 years, I've actually been content after a salon.

and about the lemon juice, careful of the acid. I was warned about that the last time I was at the dentist. =X

[Jackamaideshwang]

Ah yes, thanks Tricia, I think I'll stick to just a toothbrush though, washing your teeth with fruit juice doesn't sound like that good an idea. Gums have settled right down too, I'm not going to lose all my teeth! :smile:

[540Ninja]

Bump.

I've been doing this shit since the thread started and have come to a final conclusion about skin care products...You don't need them, at all, well at least for acne and/or dry skin.

I still shower every other day. No shampoo, just a rinse, however like I said my hair is very short so it's not needed anyway. I use bar soap though, but only on certain areas. I never wash my face.

My face has cleared up sooo much. The funny thing is, my aunt gave my mom proactive for me because she got an extra shipment or something, and I'm not going to use it. My hair is softer and nicer than ever.

The pirate's life is the life for me.

[DeeJay]

I barely shower as it is. If I didn't have a girlfriend or have close contact with people at university I wouldn't shower at all. Also I went for maybe 5 days without brushing my teeth once. It was awful, my teeth felt so dirty and they hurt every time I ate something sugary haha!

[AndyLeTerrible]

It's important to shampoo & condition regulary (every 2 days) to keep hair looking shiny and healthy. If not, particles build up on the hair and remove shine and the only thing giving the hair shine will be grease, and a coating of grease is different to a smooth healthy hair shine

[tpvlyrm]

It's important to shampoo & condition regulary (every 2 days) to keep hair looking shiny and healthy. If not, particles build up on the hair and remove shine and the only thing giving the hair shine will be grease, and a coating of grease is different to a smooth healthy hair shine

Soap and vinegar kthx

[Jackamaideshwang]

Haha AndyLeTerrible, thats so full of crap and you know it (or should know it). The conditioners are usually acidic and have some oils in them - replacing some of what the shampoo removes - or you could just not shampoo and let your naturally acidic oils do the job. All you need is a shower and run water through your hair to remove these "particles" which are most likely dust and dirt from the environment which have accumulated. You've been caught in the perpetual cycle of shampooing, making your body adapt to the shampooing and consequently you get lots of grease when you don't shampoo.
My hair is freaking awesome at the moment, I shall post a pic tomorrrow, its permanantly at the "good" stage, that lies in between two consecutive shampoos for all you shampooers (the not too dry, not too greasy stage). My mum keeps commenting on how good it looks, as well as my skin. And not using toothpaste feels pretty dam good too, gums and teeth in perfect order (teeth possibly recovering from acid damage and some plaque buildup from before the experiment) as well as not stinky breath.
I have come to the same conclusion as 540ninja - all the products are unneccessary and possibly detrimental to skin/hair/oral health. I hope to never use them again.
The pirate's life is the life for me.

[Stas.]

if you eat correctly and don't brush your teeth your breath will definitely not stink, but you should still brush your teeth every once in a while.

[540Ninja]

Haha AndyLeTerrible, thats so full of crap and you know it (or should know it). The conditioners are usually acidic and have some oils in them - replacing some of what the shampoo removes - or you could just not shampoo and let your naturally acidic oils do the job. All you need is a shower and run water through your hair to remove these "particles" which are most likely dust and dirt from the environment which have accumulated. You've been caught in the perpetual cycle of shampooing, making your body adapt to the shampooing and consequently you get lots of grease when you don't shampoo.
My hair is freaking awesome at the moment, I shall post a pic tomorrrow, its permanantly at the "good" stage, that lies in between two consecutive shampoos for all you shampooers (the not too dry, not too greasy stage). My mum keeps commenting on how good it looks, as well as my skin. And not using toothpaste feels pretty dam good too, gums and teeth in perfect order (teeth possibly recovering from acid damage and some plaque buildup from before the experiment) as well as not stinky breath.
I have come to the same conclusion as 540ninja - all the products are unneccessary and possibly detrimental to skin/hair/oral health. I hope to never use them again.
The pirate's life is the life for me.

*High 5* :good:

[Shaedar]

Bitchin' !

I'll try this again when I complete my exams and I won't have to go to school anymore.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Here we go for a photo update, this is this morning upon waking. The pimples are pretty much all gone, apart from around my mouth. I went on a bit of a rampage about a week ago squeezing all the little visisble pores around my mouth/chin and its come back to bite me - I'll just leave them be from now on and my mouth area will probably clear right up like the rest of my face.
if you eat correctly and don't brush your teeth your breath will definitely not stink, but you should still brush your teeth every once in a while.
I still brush and floss my teeth, it's the mechanical action that is neccessary, not the use of chemicals.
Hopefully this infiltrates the minds of the semi-brainwashed consumer society and everyone will be better off for it. I was thinking of writing to the newspaper about some things, maybe they would publish this little experiment, maybe not.
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030598-1.jpg
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030596.jpg
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P1030595.jpg

Oh yeah, and the middle aged women at coles seem to love me, I've had a few of them give compliments about me to the manager.....pheremones?

[Skippy]

I can't believe how much better your skin is man, it's magnificent!

My skin is tonsss better than it used to be too, although I still use products on my armpits because I'm so effin paranoid that hot water won't do the job quite as rightly haha. Plus I find when I don't use anti-perspirants that my armpits just freakin reak.

Overall the only thing I actually changed from reading your thread was now washing my face with warm water instead of using any products, although it's small I'm glad I did to say the least.

Sorry for being such an ass about this originally ^.^

<3

[JimmyKewl]

i had about one year period with no shampoo or soap (except hand washing), results - noone ever could tell that i am not using soap or shampoo. I was still washing with water. ofcourse if u got your nose close to arm pit and smelled there were some odour, but nothing extreme...

[Jackamaideshwang]

Thats good to hear Skippy :) And thanks for the support, maybe we could get more TTers to do this, I'm sure alot of you will be pleasantly surprised. Not shampooing has probably made the biggest impact on appearance for me, then the not using facewash, and my teeth have marginally improved whilst not using toothpaste. The only possible negative I experienced was the underarm thing, I'm in the process of finding what makes a particularly stinky day, but if I thought I started to smell at uni, I'd just go to the bathroom and rinse my underarms and the problem solved. Although the shrinkage of my booby-nipples coincided with my cessation of the use of the anti-perspirants.
Another thing, I seem to be immune to sickness - many people around me were sick - including my gf and I spent heaps of time with her, and I didnt get sick. I think it's because I've maintained the acid mantle on my skin, allowing less harmful bacteria to remain on my skin giving me less chance of being sick. Conversly washing with an antibacterial soap may kill all the germs (and strip the oils), but then it leaves you vulnerable with no further protection from the bacteria in the environment. If you think about it it makes sense. A pirates life is free of swine flu.

Sorry about these huge posts guys.

[JimmyKewl]

this thread is probably best tread of all TT so far, i did research on SLS

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sls-health-implications.html

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sodium-lauryl-sulfate.html

now i know why all super hygienic woman (loads of chemicals every day) has worst PMS sintoms, my gf which is hygiene freak (she met me then i was 1 year without shampoo or soap and told me that i had fucking awesome hair at a time she could not believe i didnt use shampoo, my hair was long too at a time) has very painful PMS. i also noticed that gum problems are more stressfull life, overtraining sintoms than not using toohpaste thing. Mouth smell is 99% defined by air coming from your stomach or/and lungs, 1% chance of mouth smell from mouth includes events of food particles stuck between teeth for prolonged periods you can avoid that by cleaning mouth after eating with water + mechanical brushing. So from now on i stop using any chemical substances! i even will go a lot more hardcore i am going to total natural life in wilderness, my goals are achieve beast animals physique + develope my singing, druming, drawing skills (i can go all out lowd in wilderness, will take pen and draw on founded newspapers and stuff and drum just on anything) i had done this before, except i did it with traveling on foot like about 50 km a day even i saw a lot of world, but it hindered any progress because all energy was wasted on traveling and i had little time for development. But even with that little time i had some very nice gains in all this endevours. So now i am going to try it again this time with no traveling thing, just staying in nice place. I have my gf support even she thinks i am nuts, but she starts to believe me after huge scientific evidences i explained her. ok sorry for my bad english :P i soon like in two days will be going for this mine experiment :P

[540Ninja]

It's awesome that some other TTer's are doing this too. And if you're not, you should. I've explained it like 5 times in this thread already, but I'm telling you, it's worth it.
The only thing that I still use, not often though, is deodorant. I try not to but every now and then I use it if necessary.

Also, if it weren't for Jack making this thread, I don't think I would have kept on doing this for so long. So thank you :)

[Tricia...]

I will admit I love this thread too. :) lol I think it's quite interesting

and seriously?? PMS didn't exist before?? It kind of makes sense though. I used to be ridiculously low maintenance and I barely had any PMS symptoms then. But I also used to be really into working out. So I always thought it was because of that, since exercise lowers PMS symptoms and makes periods lighter and less frequent too. But within the past year or two, I've definitely started to get more "girly." Especially since I chopped off 8 inches of my hair, I always had to put in products and I became more high maintenance and a bit dependent on makeup too D:. I started noticing my temper being a lot shorter around the time of the month. I had also stopped working out so much though, so I thought it was because of that. But recently, I definitely catch myself getting pissed at things that I never got pissed about before evaarr. I'd be like wtf. what is this anger... STOP THIS ANGEERRRR. *hulk*" Oh nooeess. I must stop these products immediately!! I'm growing my hair out again though, so the mousse and hairspray stopped a couple months ago.

I would go all out into this, but I just can't get over my hair looking disgustingly greasy. =\ Maybe I should invest in some cute girly headwraps or somethin XD just to get through that supposed threshold. lol

[JimmyKewl]

my beloved Tricia, solution is simple use shampoo and soap with no Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS ) and Sodium Laureth Sulfate in it. It can be hard to find, but you should look around for some basic natural ones, they should not have these toxic substances.
I really have no hope of girls stop using these things, because girls are girls.., but really just find something that dont have this your oestrogen fuck uppers.

[Tricia...]

Yeah, pretty much all my bath products have sodium lauryl sulfate... except for my vajay wash, which has ammonium lauryl sulfate. XD

[540Ninja]

Maybe I should invest in some cute girly headwraps or somethin XD just to get through that supposed threshold. lol

This threshold really does exist. My hair got pretty greasy for a few days. But after about 3-5 days, the oil levels went back to normal, as if I had been using shampoo regularly. Only now my hair never gets dry and it feels amazing.

[Tricia...]

Alright, I just gotta tough it out for a bit then. I think I shall do this experiment soon... maybe starting now. haha

[JimmyKewl]

i give you my big support! :good:

[Jackamaideshwang]

Thanks guys, I really appreciate your openness to the concept :smile: .
And Tricia, I didn't really experience much of a threshold period, I think this may be because I rinsed my hair everyday, and in the early stages twice a day. I think when many females try this, they're used to wetting their hair once every few days, and continue with that, and experience the intial undesirable oil levels.
I should write some basic instructions for starting out for anyone who's thinking about it, that might be another project for holidays in a couple of weeks. Going without toothpaste is quite rewarding too, and can be an extra motivator to clean up your diet, as you can notice the effects of not brushing, eating really sugary foods etc. Actually, the whole experience has made me more aware of my body, how my actions affect it and it's normal mechanisms for keeping itself healthy/in homeostasis - it's a really cool feeling when you start to get to know your body and co-operate with it.

[tpvlyrm]

my beloved Tricia, solution is simple use shampoo and soap with no Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS ) and Sodium Laureth Sulfate in it. It can be hard to find, but you should look around for some basic natural ones, they should not have these toxic substances.

Note that SLS is also known as SDS, for Sodium Dodecyl Sulphate.

Yeah, pretty much all my bath products have sodium lauryl sulfate... except for my vajay wash, which has ammonium lauryl sulfate. XD

Is that really neccessary, do you think?
Fucking hell, they sell us a different product for every single different part of our body, what a load of shit.
It's the same as household cleaning products. You need a different one for the windows, window frames, walls, work tops, tables, sink/taps, utensils, cupboard fronts, cupboard tops, cupboard insides, baths, showers, mirrors, toilets, and fucking whatever else.

What an absolute load of shit.


I went from using regular soap and shampoo to fragrance-free/balanced pH ones. Although they are clearly less irritating, they still leave my skin and hair oil-stripped, dry and feeling uncomfortable.

I had considered going soapless before, but I never attempted it until now.
I am giving it a go. It's only been a few days, but I already notice an improvement. :smile:

Nice thread Jack!

VINEGAR ON YOURNE HAIRS

[tpvlyrm]

Many of you will have no involvement in cleaning your house, but I wonder if it might be worth extended the thread to cover such things.

First thing: washing up.

Some foods are better for you, and some are worse, and people have different ideas about that, but I think one thing that is universally not good to consume is washing-up liquid. So, I wonder why the great majority of people make no effort to rinse it off their shit when they've washed up?
If it's on your plates, pans and cutlery, then it WILL be in your food and in your mouth. There's some crazy shit in washing-up liquid, and there's no fucking way I'd want it in my body.

People say to me "OMGOMGOMGOGM BUT WHAT AMBOUT BACTAERIEM!!!S!!!", even if I'm just rinsing a bowl that I only just ate out of. What a load of shit - if I just ate out of it then it must be acceptably clean anyway, and it's not as though things suddenly sprout a load of harmful bacteria. Imagine you eat something, then have more, and put that extra food on the same plate - you wouldn't think twice about it. But as soon as that plate is deemed to have been finished with, it's fucking DIRTY and must be treated with ridiculous detergents and anti-bacterial agents, not to mention colours and scents, lest you catch AIDS from your next meal.

I use a metal scouring pad to clean my pans (which are, of course, not non-stick), and boiling water if I need to get fatty stuff off. Even after a huge fatty roast of cheap cuts of lamb, when there's 5mm of solid fat right accross the pan, you don't need detergents. Scrape off what you can with a wooden spoon, then put hot water in and it all comes off so fucking easily. If there's tough burnt-on stuff then just leave it soaking for a while and in no time it will be soft as anything.

Most stuff comes off much easier - anything sort of grain-based like cereal/oats/bread stuff, or sugary things, will only need a wipe with a sponge and a rinse under cold water.

Or if you must use washing-up liquid, at least fucking *rinse it off* afterwards. Thoroughly.


Oh, and don't fucking leave your wooded spoons soaking in soapy water (or any water, really). The wood absorbs smells of any meal I cook, so I assume it would absorb the detergents and freinds, too. Water fucks up the wood anyway.

[JimmyKewl]

yeah i never use washing chemicals for my plates and as u told even most grassy shit cleans with hot water. The other thing is that people have just an ridiculous amount of fucking plates, then my family eats it`s like after weding each time.... i mean as soon as i started to live on my own i just had one plate one pot one fork one spoon and one cup thats it. I would clean them before next meal because i would have to in order to eat from them, so i solved two problems at once, no mountains of dirty plates and no shit load of space and money requered to fill the fucking kitchen with useless utensils.

end then someone visits me its just more fun to eat from one pot/plate, we get more intimacy this way too ^^

[JimmyKewl]

other experience i had with washing clothes, as i was a part of sailing ship crew which crossed atlantic we would do all clothe washing by tying clothes to rope and droping over board for like hour or less (still keeping speed of boat so clothes would drag in water), i could not believe how effective that was, clothes would turn 100% clean even worst ketchup/machine oil spots would go away and clothes would smell sweet ocean. Ok this is hard to achieve at home, because u usually dont have acces to lot clean runing water, but it just shows overrating of all household chemicals.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I've been thinking about that a fair bit tvplyrm, and you can get these cleaning mits from enjo http://www.enjo.com.au/. my mum got a glove years ago and as kids we didn't want to use it because it took a little bit more effort. Right now for bathrooms, dishes and clothes we use Enviroclean products - it says you can use them as disinfectants for first aid purposes as well, but I think I'll use the enjo cleaning glove instead now. The bathroom and kitchen cleaning issues wouldn't be a problem if humans never moved from a hunter-gatherer -nomadic lifestyle, yet now all our biological waste is buit up in a few areas that we live in. This only really applies to people with pathological bacterial or viral conditions, the world health organisation has a blanket policy that everyone should wash hands with anti-bacterial soap and remain "clean" to minimise transmission of bacterial or viral illnesses from people coughing and sneezing in their hands. If you're healthy, and the people you live with are healthy, you don't need all the crazy cleaning products. BAM! and the Bam is gone.
I was also thinking of washing my clothes with just water, like the scene in Charlie and the Chocolate factory where they're stirring the big steaming pot of clothes.
And tvplyrm, I wouldnt use the metal scouring pad on your dishes, as they work by abrasing the surface of the pan, so you get little shavings in your food the next time you eat. You may find your teatowel can turn a little silver after drying the pot.

[AndyLeTerrible]

Haha AndyLeTerrible, thats so full of crap and you know it (or should know it). The conditioners are usually acidic and have some oils in them - replacing some of what the shampoo removes - or you could just not shampoo and let your naturally acidic oils do the job. All you need is a shower and run water through your hair to remove these "particles" which are most likely dust and dirt from the environment which have accumulated. You've been caught in the perpetual cycle of shampooing, making your body adapt to the shampooing and consequently you get lots of grease when you don't shampoo.
My hair is freaking awesome at the moment, I shall post a pic tomorrrow, its permanantly at the "good" stage, that lies in between two consecutive shampoos for all you shampooers (the not too dry, not too greasy stage). My mum keeps commenting on how good it looks, as well as my skin. And not using toothpaste feels pretty dam good too, gums and teeth in perfect order (teeth possibly recovering from acid damage and some plaque buildup from before the experiment) as well as not stinky breath.
I have come to the same conclusion as 540ninja - all the products are unneccessary and possibly detrimental to skin/hair/oral health. I hope to never use them again.
The pirate's life is the life for me.no. that's wrong. I hate to break it to you but your hair doesn't have a healthy shine.
The oil coats each shaft of hair, but it’s only the oil that is shining and not your hair. no matter how much oil there is. So it doesn’t mean that your hair is any healthier even in some new age hippy way. In fact, oil tends to attract dust and dirt and becomes a breeding ground for infections. when you brush your hair mixed with these particles it damages the hair. a healthy hair shaft is a strong one which is clean, the healthy shine comes from the smoothnes of the hair with nothing on it so light reflects off it in the correct way. a thin coating of conditioner adds a shiny layer over the hair. shampoos and conditioners do not penetrte the hair shaft at all unless they have some kind of special oil or ingredient. I know many people could live fine without washing their hair, but I'm not talking about "what you can live by" i'm talking what's superior.
girls don't want hair that "looks ok" and can stand up in the air like yours (without the support of any products) because that demonstrates a lack of moisture
tell some supermodel to not wash their hair for however long you do. It may look ok in general, but as soon as that model went to a runway show and got in the makeup room the hair specialist would say "your hair looks like shit" right away

[JimmyKewl]

i was offered modeling job at time i had not used shampoo or soap for year, my hair was droping on my shoulders in sexy waves with sun made natural light coloring on ends of my hair (i am dark haired). When i was in hospital for health check, nurse touched my hair and said what u use to get this beautiful hair. I never in my life had such an awesome hair. Only thing i used was water.

why others do not achieve that? Because average young fucker this days think they can drink alcohol (smoke weed, cigarets), eat shit, don`t sleep well and be just overall fucked up and still look good. Well with all chemical factory on you you will look like some fucking nice plastic doll sure.

[Jackamaideshwang]

no. that's wrong. I hate to break it to you but your hair doesn't have a healthy shine.
The oil coats each shaft of hair, but it’s only the oil that is shining and not your hair. no matter how much oil there is. So it doesn’t mean that your hair is any healthier even in some new age hippy way. In fact, oil tends to attract dust and dirt and becomes a breeding ground for infections. when you brush your hair mixed with these particles it damages the hair. a healthy hair shaft is a strong one which is clean, the healthy shine comes from the smoothnes of the hair with nothing on it so light reflects off it in the correct way. a thin coating of conditioner adds a shiny layer over the hair. shampoos and conditioners do not penetrte the hair shaft at all unless they have some kind of special oil or ingredient. I know many people could live fine without washing their hair, but I'm not talking about "what you can live by" i'm talking what's superior.
girls don't want hair that "looks ok" and can stand up in the air like yours (without the support of any products) because that demonstrates a lack of moisture
tell some supermodel to not wash their hair for however long you do. It may look ok in general, but as soon as that model went to a runway show and got in the makeup room the hair specialist would say "your hair looks like shit" right away
Duuuude. The oil gives your hair a natural shine because it is acidic, the little scales on the hair react to the acidity and flatten uniformly, allowing light to reflect uniformly giving it the 'shine' - if you have no oils or nothing on your hair (stripped dry) I doubt you would have this.
Haha - so thats why I'm getting so many hair infections! Thats so ridiculous. I rinse my hair with water once a day, that is more than enough to remove the dirt and dust from everyday living whilst retaining a base level of oils.
I think you're forgetting that I take these photos upon waking...after sleeping 8 hrs... as soon as I get up from bed...I shall post a picture of everyday me, the "supermodel" version later today so you get the idea.

[540Ninja]

Jack, I will be working outside this summer for 8 hours a day. The only issue I will have now is the sun. I'm sure as hell not putting any of that commercial sunscreen on my skin. But I don't want to get burned by the sun and shit. I've looked at the "safe and all natural" sunscreens but I still don't think I wanna do that. I'm confused as to what to do...

[Jackamaideshwang]

You came to the right person! Haha, yeah sunscreens aren't really a good idea for anyone, including those who don't mind a few chemicals. They work by absorbing the 'UVB?' rays in their active ingredients, which then produces reactive oxygen species as a consequence of absorbing these UV rays, which then damage the DNA in your skin - possibly contributing to skin cancer and/or skin aging. The people who get skin cancers usually have infrequent bouts of sun exposure, like one big sunny day a month or a beach holiday when you get burnt - this causes the damage (or you could just get way too much sun). You want the melanin to build up in your skin through regular, gradually increasing sun exposure to minimise your risk of skin cancer (and many other cancers in fact). Melanin is the pigment in skin, and does the work of suncreens - yet doesn't give you cancer! If you don't have much melanin (through lack of sun exposure and being ghostly white) you won't be as protected. This isn't an out there claim, its pretty much what is accepted, just the public gets a blanket statement to ensure nobody misunderstands, or for the lazy people who don't get regular sun exposure. Its interesting, they looked at navy crew members, and the ones who had outside jobs on the deck or whatever had a significantly less incidence of melanoma than the navy crew who worked inside the ship away from the sun.

So what you should do is start going in the sun for a little bit at a time each day, untill you're almost slightly pink, over about 2 weeks, you will be tanned and ready for work in the sun. 8 hours in the sun is quite alot, so covering up (long sleeve shirt) for much of the time will probably be neccessary for white people - who's natural environments are in less UV intense areas.
Not using products is perfect for this as well, as the cholesterol in the oils of your skin convert to vitamin D after sun exposure, and if you strip those oils, either before or after sun exposure, you greatly reduce your vitamin D gained from the sun.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Here you go AndyLeTerrible, this is me after a shower and I combed my hair - then I let it dry in the sun.
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P6110030.jpg
This is me about a week ago, after doing weights and eating something ridiculous, still shine with a little more curl.
http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu11/Jackuploads/P6030012.jpg
I would say that my hair is pretty good. I'm going on my standards, I haven't worked with supermodels and don't know all too well about their standards.

[Tricia...]

So I guess I have this addiction to shampoo/soap. I have this huge urge to just... feel the lather in my hair and just smell that beautiful aroma... lol. It's only been a little over 3 days since my last shower with the products. I'm feeling pretty antsy... :O

But um... my hair definitely doesn't look as greasy as it did yesterday. It was pretty disgusting then, being ridiculously oily and full of dandruff. So maybe I'm actually passing that threshold right now. (and I just brushed it at this very moment and it looks normal now XD) The skin on my face is softer than I expected it to be too, though my nose was peeling today. So like my dandruff, i'm guessing that'll stop soon as well.

As for the using toothpaste... I don't think I can stop that lol. That's something I'm way too self conscious about. Plus you say it depends on diet. I can't really eat that healthy here... lol. Things are more expensive, I don't spend a lot of money and don't really cook. So I eat mostly microwaved things and ramen. lol I'm not so healthy diet-wise. XD

[Jackamaideshwang]

Haha, I used to have that, craving that "clean tingle" untill I realised the foaming/lather was caused by sodium lauryl sulphate, and it was irritating my skin as well as causing chemicals to seep into my scalp to act as a neurotoxin and/or carcinogen.
Just think of that when you think of shampoo, detergents or anything foamy:wink:
Haha, yeah, the early stages is when you can notice it, but it's minimal if you shower twice a day. I think the water gets the excess oil off with any dirt that has absorbed it, so it still leaves most oils, depending on how hard your water supply is. Showering twice a day may be a bit annoying for girls, you could go to the beach and have a big swim and spend time outside, that seemed to make my hair good in the early stages.
I'm not too sure about the dandruff, I think I may have had some left over from when I was washing, but I'm pretty sure it's gone now. I haven't had any skin peeling, maybe you could give your face a light once over with a washer or loofah - I do that maybe once a week.
I don't spend that much money on food, probably not any more than I would a crappy diet. Some good cheap foods are coconuts (including coconut milk and cream -nutritious and very filling), canned tuna or sardines (canned maybe not the 100% best option, but not too bad), a few vegetables, some nuts if you can afford and a few cheap cuts of meat, and splurge on some coconut or olive/avocado oil. May not be as cheap as say rice or noodles, but its 100 times better for you and can taste way better.
Good luck with it Tricia, I'll be keen to see how you go with it :smile:

[Tricia...]

yaaayyy i'm leaving for the beach in an hour. haha I can exfoliate there too. lol

Maybe I should at least TRY to look for healthy things. I just love my greasy, fried foods. D: haha

[Shaedar]

I've tried this for the second time and it works.
I wash myself with water only and everything is fine. I don't stink, occasional pimples are almost completely gone and my hair is freaking sweet !
I used a bit different aproach with hair thing though. At first I didn't completely abolish the shampoo, but when the hair got really greasy, I used few drops of it and washed my hair. Now that my scalp is "neutralized" I don't have to use it at all because my hair is awesome all the time.

And toothbrushing without toothpaste works to. Like Jack said. Teeth is getting whiter and I don't have a bad breath either. Feels better too.

Thanks Jack ! :good:


Edit:
The book about biohousing is "The Natural House Book" by David Pearson

That's the one I've read.
I saw there's a new version of it or something, ingeniusly named, The New Natural House Book haha.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Shaedar I could kiss you!
Thats great to hear man, it really makes sense to slowly change your practices as your body adapts. A bit like slowly exercising harder so you don't get DOMS. It's going to be so much cheaper too! Haha. Sustainable living ftw.

Thanks heaps for that man, I've been thinking about that book for the last few days, I really appreciate you giving me the details.

[540Ninja]

I'm still going strong with this. I don't think I can ever go back to using all those products. I'm actually so used to it now that I think I'll be a pirate forever. There's so many advantages!

To all you who think that it's not hygienic or disgusting, I'm as clean as anyone else. I shower daily, sometimes every other day if I'm not going out after work. My hair is pretty much flawless, my skin never dries out. I never have to put toxic chemicals on my body to get clean, water does it all.


And I remember someone mentioning something about pheromones. I think you're right about that.

[Shaedar]

*high fives all around*

[Swartz]

*keeps arms crossed*

[DeeJay]

Inspired by this thread, I haven't washed my hair in over 2 weeks. Its very greasy.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I agree 540ninja, people just need to give it a go for a few weeks, thats all there is to it and I really doubt they would go back. It's so easy, it's ridiculous. Like if I need a shower at uni, all I bring is a towel and some clothes. No need to worry about shit leaking in my bag. A toothbrush is all you need for your teeth, and there's probably some way around that too. No dry lips too. I think this would work especially well for people in snowy climates, as would they get a bit more vitamin D as well.
How are you going with the outdoor work?

I think we will be the only three left on earth that don't get zombie flue..and maybe Tricia.

Deejay, it's better if you just ease into it like Shaedar said. The body can't adapt to stuff like this in a couple of days after many years of doing something else. Keep using water too, at this stage it seems using water is the only neccessary level of cleanliness, at least for fitting into today's society.

Swartz, I'm super dooper keen on you trying this out.

[tpvlyrm]

*keeps arms crossed*

*traces one finger gently up your ass crack*

[tpvlyrm]

All you water-washers - do you use any mechanical action while washing, like rubbing over your skin while in the shower? If so, do you use your hands or some rougher item like a scrubby sponge or a fucking rag or something?

I'm afraid I definately am still using soap to wash my body. I get totally more bacne if I don't. Strangely I don't even get any spots on my face any more, no matter how little I wash, and haven't for years. Though I did while I was in my teens. But then they went and now just my back is gay.

Plus I soap my hair, and then use the vinegar rinse. I've spent months and months without washing it with more than water, and it never got any less greasy. Every time I brushed it there was thick grey wax all over the brush, it was gay.

[Shaedar]

I scrub myself with something like this except it doesn't have a rubber band. It's not a glove exactly, looks more like a pocket.

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00yRTQDoEtFuHeM/Washing-Glove.jpg

As for the hair, it's super smooth. I just have to wash it everyday, because it gets too greasy over a few days.
Don't get me wrong, it's better than before when I regularly used shampoo.
Hair was really dry after I washed it and then it got really greasy after two or three days. Now it's constantly in that perfect phase which you enter in the day or two after the wash.
I think Jack said something like this about his hair too.

[tpvlyrm]

Has anyone else here got long hair? I mean, actually long? It's been like... 5 or 6 years since I cut mine, and I think it being so long make it really hard to keep "clean".

My hair feels the best it ever has immediately after washing with soap, and rinsing with vinegar (and letting it dry and then brushing it again). It then only gets worse each day, there's no better time a couple of days afterwards.

So how do you wash the hair, rubbing it and shit? Or do you just let it be rinsed in the water?

[Shaedar]

My hair reach down to the tip of my nose. Had it reaching to the chin, but then I STUPIDLY cut half away.
I just rub it under running water.

[Dave C]

I'll rinse my longass hair on a daily basis, but only wash it when I feel like it's necessary. When I do, I use shampoo designed not to strip away essential oils. Dove is a good choice.

Suddenly I feel very metro.

[tpvlyrm]

Dave, do you brush/comb your hair as well? Do you get a lot of dirt and grease out on the brush?

[Dave C]

I comb my hair with a standard 75 cent black comb (the kind with the fine teeth on one half and broad teeth on the other). The comb looks the same today as the day I bought it, so as far as I can tell its not building up any residue or anything. I'll brush out tangles with the broad side before I get my hair wet, and then smooth it out with the fine side after my shower and pull it back so it doesn't dry funny (though on occasion I do actually let it dry down - it just ends up making my hair more wavy/curly afterwards, which isn't really bad, just not my preference.)

For the most part people comment on how well-kept and clean my hair is, even though the only maintenance I do on it is what I just said. My stepmother voices her jealousy.

:hair:

[tpvlyrm]

Weird, because I get so much fucking gunk out of my hair, haha. If I washed it with soap really thoroughly today, then within a week I'd have to stop combing it half way through to scrape the shit out from between the teeth. I have a decent brush which I use most of the time, and that gets covered - I have to soap it up and scrub it clean with a nail brush.

I'm going to wash mine hair right now, in fact. Bye

[Jackamaideshwang]

I use a washer for my face and body now, but I used to just use my hands and it was fine. For my hair I just let the water run over it and run my fingers through, and do a sort of combing motion with my palm towards the back of my head. I sometimes I clamp my hair a little and pull through the hair at the back whilst the water goes through it and I think this is what gets any excess oils out, but I can't really notice. My hair is starting to get long as well.

[540Ninja]

I agree 540ninja, people just need to give it a go for a few weeks, thats all there is to it and I really doubt they would go back. It's so easy, it's ridiculous. Like if I need a shower at uni, all I bring is a towel and some clothes. No need to worry about shit leaking in my bag. A toothbrush is all you need for your teeth, and there's probably some way around that too. No dry lips too. I think this would work especially well for people in snowy climates, as would they get a bit more vitamin D as well.
How are you going with the outdoor work?

I think we will be the only three left on earth that don't get zombie flue..and maybe Tricia.

Deejay, it's better if you just ease into it like Shaedar said. The body can't adapt to stuff like this in a couple of days after many years of doing something else. Keep using water too, at this stage it seems using water is the only neccessary level of cleanliness, at least for fitting into today's society.

Swartz, I'm super dooper keen on you trying this out.

I've been working all week. I haven't used any sunscreen. I haven't been burned really, but my skin is slowly getting darker, so it's all good.

Too bad I'll have tan arms, face, and neck, and the rest of my body will be white as hell. I wish I could work shirtless, but I don't think golfers who pay $35,000 a year to golf there would want to see us "dirty working class people" without shirts on.

[Alpha Moth]

mm just had a lil read in this thread... i also have bad skin :/ like, I use benzol peroxide and the pimples stay away (i only get them on my nose near the nostrils and above the lip or under my mouth??!) and my skin is always slightly red where i put the stuff on. I don't use it on the rest of my face. My face feels sometimes all oily and i wash it because i dont like the feeling, and somedays i have breakouts..

Any tips to try and get rid of these fucking red skin and stuff? Usualyl I don't get so many pimples just tons of blackheads on my nose -_-

[Phil D]

why the fuck would you people not want to wash?

[Jon P]

There has been a few points in my life in which my hair felt healthiest;
a. when i was very young and had nice fresh locks.
b. aged 17-18. i rarely washed with any sort of shampoo or product during this time.
c. right now. i shampoo nearly everyday and condition 2-3x wk.

so imo i think you can go one of two ways to achieve maximum hairage.
stop using product altogether and wait for your body to reset to its natural self.
or shampoo daily / every other day and condition 2-3x a week.
obviously, this goes to show that hair "product" is a giant scheme because once you start using it you have to keep using it--unless you don't mind having gross hair for a few weeks while your body resets itself. which is annoying for anyone with medium length hair because you will have nasty, greasy hair in your face for a month.
But if you have long enough hair you can pull it back / push it out of the way or short enough hair that it doesn't matter than why would you needlessly spend money on "product"?
moral of the story, "grow your hair and stop caring."

[The_Mayor]

haha I'm inspired now! :smile: Here is my plan that just started with my shower a few minutes ago:


No more showering with soap or shampoo. I'm just going to use a washcloth and water.
Continue to wash hands with soap after going peepee or poopoo and before eating.
Still going to use toothpaste, because I really like my teeth, and don't want to risk them going bad.
No more lotion. I probably won't need it anyway, since I won't be washing with soap.
Unsure about deodorant... we'll see.

:juji:

[tpvlyrm]

why the fuck would you people not want to wash?

It' not about "not washing", dude. It's just washing differently.

hair "product" is a giant scheme because once you start using it you have to keep using it--unless you don't mind having gross hair for a few weeks while your body resets itself.

Yea - I stopped cutting my hair in October 2003, and then I think after about two years, when I went to university, I stopped using any shampoo. My hair was probably a mess, but it felt fine. Then in summer 2006 I tried using some shampoo again, and ever since, if I don't wash my hair every day or every two days at most, my scalp get's unbearably itchy, the kind of itching that makes your hand go up to scratch it completely automatically. It gets a lot worse at night, as well - a common story, according to the internets. I've never managed to get back from that. I can only assume that when I started shampooing again (and it was only like once or twice), I fucked up something that was keeping my scalp all chillaxed, and now it's gay.

Never mind. I'm expecting to start going bald in the next couple of years :dead:


Unsure about deodorant... we'll see.

:juji:

Dude, that gay shit should be the first to go.

[tpvlyrm]

I can't remember if we mentioned this already:

At least some of you men, at least some of the time, are probably hetrosexual. What are your thoughts and policies on girls' use of cosmetics - makeup, hair shit, scenty crap, etc?

I am pretty much zero-tolerance, I guess.

[Shaedar]

http://www.guidofistpump.com/guido%20pix/CIMG9795.jpg

This is what I call a marriage material.

[tpvlyrm]

lol, they're of a compeltely new race.

http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/guido_collage_12408.jpg

The jakced dude on the middle-right is doing blue steel

EDIT: actually it's more like la tigra, imo.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

I prefer my womenz with very little to no make-up, but I haven't ruled out plastic looking bitches just yet because they're usually the easiest to get in bed & we all love a quick lay, right?

[The_Mayor]

I can't remember if we mentioned this already:

At least some of you men, at least some of the time, are probably hetrosexual. What are your thoughts and policies on girls' use of cosmetics - makeup, hair shit, scenty crap, etc?

I am pretty much zero-tolerance, I guess.

If a girly doesn't wear makeup, that's one of the greatest things ever. However, I think it does make some girls look prettier, and they need it if they wish to fulfill their goal of being sexual objects. My "ideal" would be someone who doesn't need cosmetics to be physically attractive.

As far as scenty crap goes, I somewhat like it as long as it's not overpowering or disgusting... for example, a nice coconut smell vs. Ambercrombie :ogre:

P.S. No girl can EVER look good in red lipstick or red nail polish... it's just impossible.

[Shaedar]

I prefer my womenz with very little to no make-up, but I haven't ruled out plastic looking bitches just yet because they're usually the easiest to get in bed & we all love a quick lay, right?

+1 :good:

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

:smile:

& by no means am I an insensitive asshole towards women.

[Shaedar]

Should I do it again ?
+1 :good: ?

haha

[Shaedar]

To get back on topic:

I still wash my hands and feet with soap. It's almost impossible to wash dirt and grass stains off otherwise.

[Jackamaideshwang]

My gf doesnt wear makeup and slutty clothes, it's freaking awesome.
I washed with soap the other day because I was at the hospital, but then I thought I may be putting myself at more risk by having bare unprotected hands. Either way, my immune system is kicking ass right now.
My wisdom teeth have been coming out for the last few weeks and they've been fine, no infection, no pain, no toothpaste. Half of the tooth is showing at the moment in a little bare pocket, and you can move the gum to the sides and stuff, which you would think would be perfect for an infection- but no infection or gingivitis!! Haven't had gingivitis since that time I was brushing my teeth way too hard. My mouth seems to be a fair bit healthier than before.

[JimmyKewl]

ok i am 21 day with no chemicals at all, my hair after first week being a bit dirty now is more awesome than before! my teeth are awesome too no gingivitis no any problems. i hope to continue like this for rest of my life! my skin is totaly awesome now too, natural perfection! XD thanks to jackamaideshwang to making me stop to even think about using all those chemicals.

[Alpha Moth]

if i stop using chemicals on my face, will it get worse before it gets better?:S

[Swartz]

God I love chemicals!

[Jackamaideshwang]

Wow thats awesome Jimmy :smile: way to go.
AlphaMoth, it seems to be that the initial changes in complexion are quite positive, and there isn't much of a threshold period at all, so go for it! It's the scalp that seems to take a bit longer to adjust. There's no crap period for not using toothpaste either.
Pirate is the new metro Swartz, chicks love it :wink:

[Alpha Moth]

i dont know about not washing my hair though. it feels nice and soft after i shampoo it though..

though im sick of myface being red from benzol peroxiode and shit.id rather a lil redness then pimples though..

[Jackamaideshwang]

I was using the proactive stuff (active ingredient: benzoyl peroxide), when I stopped, 80% of the redness in my face had gone, and was just a bit red around the pimples I already had. The pimples practically everywhere but on my chin have gone. I probably just need to stop squeezing them, that really multiplies them.
Even if it is just a little bit of an improvement in appearance, its a butload better for your health (people always wonder why they get cancers, sheesh).

[Alpha Moth]

mmm mostly i get black heads on my nose, and i cant help but squeeze them >.< and if i get another pimple i then have to squeeze that, haha

[tpvlyrm]

I luckily don't really get any spots on my face any more (except loads of blackheads, I guess), but what I found to be most effective in preventing any worsening of them after squeezing them is just to wash over it with soap, like rub soap on, rub it in a bit, then rinse it off. That way, the next morning it's actually started healing up instead of having got worse. Basically just make sure to wash after fucking with your spots, or else I guess they get reinfected and shit.

[Skippy]

mmm mostly i get black heads on my nose, and i cant help but squeeze them >.< and if i get another pimple i then have to squeeze that, haha

Shit man, the day the miracle cure for blackheads is found I'll eat it. I've always had them really bad on my nose since I was like 13, squeezing them once every three days or so seems to keep them quite nicely at bay though, along with washing with mofockin hot water each day.

[Swartz]

There's various strengths of benzyl peroxide. Normally just 2.5%, 5% and 10%. I can get away with 10% though it'll dry out my skin by itself, just like any of the others. Using a moisturizer right after is important. Between that and not irritating my skin (not picking, using razors vs. electric shavers, etc.) I've found the best treatment for my acne personally. It's always been a severe problem for me. I've had a decade of experience trying to keep it at bay.

[540Ninja]

i dont know about not washing my hair though. it feels nice and soft after i shampoo it though..

though im sick of myface being red from benzol peroxiode and shit.id rather a lil redness then pimples though..

What do you mean not washing your hair?

I wash my hair, so does everyone else doing this whole "pirate" thing, we just use water only. What exactly qualifies as washing to you?

The thread title is a bit misleading actually haha.



Swartz, we will break you!!!!!!

[tpvlyrm]

I've had a decade of experience trying to keep it at bay.

Have you tried not being gay?

or srsly though, since you've had such a long time of trying to keep it under control, and clearly manage to some extent but never without continued reliance on chems, what have you go to lose by trying a different approach? Just give it a few weeks, or say a month. If it doesn't help then you can go back to your old ways (FOREVER AND EVER), but if it does then imagine how good it would be.

[Alpha Moth]

There's various strengths of benzyl peroxide. Normally just 2.5%, 5% and 10%. I can get away with 10% though it'll dry out my skin by itself, just like any of the others. Using a moisturizer right after is important. Between that and not irritating my skin (not picking, using razors vs. electric shavers, etc.) I've found the best treatment for my acne personally. It's always been a severe problem for me. I've had a decade of experience trying to keep it at bay.

I use 2.5%.. my skin is a lil dry, but yea.

Tried just washing my face with soap today and no benzoyl.. already feel one :( haha

[Skippy]

Swarts I used to use benzoyl peroxide, I had pretty bad acne but since I started doing this whole not using products things my skins cleared up pretty much 100%, but better than what benzoyl peroxide was like for me.

Give it a go for just 2 weeks man, I'm not saying don't use products on your body or whatever, but at least try it out on your face. I still use products but only to wash my armpits and head hair.

[Tricia...]

sooo yeah, i kinda gave this up. =| I started freaking out about microbes too much. haha. If I get into this, I gotta start slowly, rather than going cold turkey. But, I don't know anymore since I've started working in the hospital and I come across some real gross stuff often. Im also scared of spreading pathogens n shiz, especially to the newborns. =|

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hhhmm yes, you're quite the Mr Burns...:tongue:
I was worried about the "microbes", but I think you could do either. You could wash your hands every 3 seconds to prevent them multiplying but destroy any protection you have, or you could maintain a natural protection/barrier. The detergents are proven skin irritants - in other words they damage the top layers of skin cells - which may allow an entry point or resevoir for bacteria - so you have to keep washing your hands all the time to stay "pathogen free". I feel naked and unprotected if I'm forced to wash my hands with detergents, like I'm at risk of a bacterial attack, but thats just due to my way of looking at it. You wear gloves in the hospital don't you? You should be wearing gloves, so there wouldn't be much need for washing hands, depending on what you do there.

[JimmyKewl]

spread the plague for weak babies to die.. THIS IS SPARTAAA - would be your explanation for hospital boss ^^

[JimmyKewl]

i love Jackamaideshwang, i hope he use this common sense aproach to other things in life too. That way i could stop being alone around brainless drones :(

[Jackamaideshwang]

Haha, we're all brainless drones in some way or another, I'm pretty sure my mechanic thinks like that of me.
But seriously, JimmyKewl is my alternate account.

[Shaedar]

Nice monologue :good:

[Jackamaideshwang]

It's not really my alternate account, it would be funny if I got another one to talk highly of myself though. Dentist this morning! I'm expecting them to be amazed I don't use toothpaste.

[tpvlyrm]

It's not really my alternate account, it would be funny if I got another one to talk highly of myself though. Dentist this morning! I'm expecting them to be amazed I don't use toothpaste.

Of course you mustn't tell them until after their conclusion on the condition of your mouth, or else they'll probably say it's crap anyway. And either way they'll say you're headed for problems in the future, tbh.

[Tricia...]

It's not really my alternate account, it would be funny if I got another one to talk highly of myself though. Dentist this morning! I'm expecting them to be amazed I don't use toothpaste.

ooh I'm excited to know what they say! ^^

[AndyLeTerrible]

No lollypop for you, son

[Jackamaideshwang]

Just got back. Haven't been to the dentist for about four years and last time I went I got about 3 fillings.
This time the dentist said I have good overall dental health, thought that my wisdom teeth coming through should be making the gums sore/inflammed (which they're not), but apparantly I have a small cavity that she wants to stop before it gets any bigger. Considering I had been carbing and sugaring it up big time in about the 3 years after my last visit, I'd say thats pretty dam good.
I didn't tell her about not using toothpaste or mouthwash either.
I bought a little tooth wire thing and I'm hoping to clean the little cavity out a bit. I'll hopefully keep up the saturated fats and omega 3 and get a bit more calcium to try and remineralise it. We'll see what happens. I don't really want mercury or aluminium in my mouth.
I can't say I'm not a little disappointed at having a cavity, even if it is a small one.

[Skippy]

RAWR POST


I know you're all anti toothpaste Jack, but I used to always get fillings and shit just over generally poor dental health, but I started using this toothpaste called Arm and Hammer toothpaste that remineralises your teeth and it's fawking awesome. I don't have sensitive teeth at all anymore and it kicks major ass, my dentist is always quite pleased with the conditions (I visit every few months).

It might be worth looking into it, I don't think it has things like fluoride and shiz in it, I remember it saying it uses biocarbonate soda or something to whiten your teeth more gently, either way man it's awesome as fock.

Just to speed up the pace of remineralising it, so you can go back to your non-product ways.

[Tricia...]

I loooveee arm & hammer. That's what I use. I feel it pwns all the other toothpastes. haha

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hmmm, thanks for that. I think my teeth have already remineralised some small stuff as I don't have sensitive teeth anymore. I'm going to try to clean it, then chip off a calcium supplement and try to pack it in there a little, then swallow the rest of the supplement. Apparantly it takes a couple of months to remineralise teeth, and I made an appointment for next Monday:ouch:

[Tricia...]

Hmmm, thanks for that. I think my teeth have already remineralised some small stuff as I don't have sensitive teeth anymore. I'm going to try to clean it, then chip off a calcium supplement and try to pack it in there a little, then swallow the rest of the supplement. Apparantly it takes a couple of months to remineralise teeth, and I made an appointment for next Monday:ouch:

O_o;


... that works for filling cavities... really?

[Swartz]

I loooveee arm & hammer. That's what I use. I feel it pwns all the other toothpastes. haha

OMG WE'RE LIKE SISTERS.

[Tricia...]

OMG WE'RE LIKE SISTERS.

OMGAAH!! WE'RE SO COOL! *JUMPS UP AND DOWN SQUEALING!*

[Alpha Moth]

Mmmm I'm a bit skeptical about not washing my teeth, they're bad enough already. Last time I went about 2 years ago I didn't need any fillings or braces or anything, but they were pretty dirty and they thought they were shattered or so and had to get them x-rayed.. thank god they were ok, but since then I've brushed them like 2-3 times a day..

haven't used any benzoyl peroxide in a few days, got not "more§ pimples, just one or two formed, but they're going away... some of the redness has faded. will keep it up for 2 weeks and if i get lots of pimples Ill use benzoyl..

Still washing my hair 2-3 days though.

[JimmyKewl]

:o

How does saliva prevent tooth decay and gum disease?

* The flow of saliva helps to wash away food debris.
* It is alkaline, and so it helps to neutralise mouth acids and reduce decay.
* It helps to protect the teeth from erosion caused by acids in the diet.
* The saliva dilutes the strength of the acid.
* Saliva slows or inhibits plaque growth and calculus formation.
* This reduces the risk of gum disease.
* The calcium content of saliva can help to reverse the early stages of decay. This is called remineralisation.

i didn`t knew that teeth can remineralise, but it seems it happens only in small cavities still cool. And then toothpaste arm and hammer sounds like is like other whitening pastes which to make your teeth white take away surface of enamel in long time fucking up the teeth.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Mmmm I'm a bit skeptical about not washing my teeth, they're bad enough already. Last time I went about 2 years ago I didn't need any fillings or braces or anything, but they were pretty dirty and they thought they were shattered or so and had to get them x-rayed.. thank god they were ok, but since then I've brushed them like 2-3 times a day..


Yeah you're right, not using toothpaste would never work. People's teeth would only last a few years before toothpaste was invented (1780), I guess it's a survival thing that just evolved over time...
Sorry for that, but now you realise how ridiculous it is to be sceptical about not using toothpaste. Peoples teeth are made to last, if you have no teeth, you can't eat or fend for yourself properly, you die - end of that genetic trait.
And if you're teeth are bad enough, do you really want some abrasive toothpaste made to whiten preventing any significant remineralistion? Is it just a coincidence that not many other people know about tooth remineralisation?
Mind you, the modern western lifestyle doesn't exactly lend itself to creating a healthy mouth. Humans seem to have used their teeth a lot, to crack and grind bones, to get into nuts and plants and to shape or hold things. The things that they ate required chewing and tearing, crunching and cutting. This almost mimics the tooth brushing that we do today to clean plaque etc off, except without the same forces on the teeth.

Bone largely forms according to the stresses and loading it is exposed to, without stresses, the bones are weak, dysfunctional and sometimes irregular. The lack of loading through proper chewing and biting (like in the old days) may even explain why many people have teeth that grow in different directions, crowded and impacted teeth (according to me though, I have not searched for anything to back me up about the tooth formation thing).

The foods we eat are soft, cooked to hell, or sweet and sour to appease our palates. The soft and cooked to hell foods provide minimal loading for the teeth, meaning less clear direction for the teeth to grow to. The sugars and carbohydrate rich foods provide ample opportunities to cause a bacterial overgrowth in the mouth causing periodontal disease and cavities etc. Even if the food doesn't taste sweet at first, some remains in your mouth so the salivary amylases break down the carbohydrate into sugar and continue to fuel the harmful levels of bacteria.

The sour foods are obviously highly acidic, and the high acid levels cause tooth erosion as indicated in JimmyKewls post above.

The main problems with teeth appear to be diet and lack of mechanical stimulation - not lack of toothpaste. Most mouth products attempt to treat the symptoms of these problems, as I do by using a toothbrush. If you're eating lots of sweet and starchy foods then fine, use an antibacterial toothpaste and have your health suffer (from the sugars too). If you're eating lots of acidic foods, use a toothpaste with bicarbonate in it, suffer the same fate. If you don't have anything challenging for your teeth, start saving for dentures. If you don't use your teeth as much as you probably should, use a toothbrush (like me), but probably forget about having a highly developed immunity.

Or you could treat the cause and eat and live healthily and not have to worry about any of the commercial products.

It works for me because I avoid sugars and acids and eat hard foods (bones, coconut, uncooked vegetables) and foods that require a bit of work (muscle meat!). So to all people curious, if you are not willing to give up lollies and soft drinks, maybe don't do what I'm doing, but hey, your teeth will be screwed in a while anyway. I hope that clears things up with the teeth aspect.

Sorry about sounding like a big jerk, I know nobody likes reading that stuff.

[tpvlyrm]

Yeah you're right, not using toothpaste would never work. People's teeth would only last a few years before toothpaste was invented (1780), I guess it's a survival thing that just evolved over time...
Sorry for that, but now you realise how ridiculous it is to be sceptical about not using toothpaste. Peoples teeth are made to last, if you have no teeth, you can't eat or fend for yourself properly, you die - end of that genetic trait.

Only if their teeth fall out before they've reproduced, really. Once you're 30 and have ejaculated into a whole bunch of females, then you might as well lose your teeth, and mind, and just die.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Who's going to look after the toothless babies? What animal in the wild loses it's teeth before half of it's life is over? It's a trivial detail anyway.

[tpvlyrm]

Who's going to look after the toothless babies? What animal in the wild loses it's teeth before half of it's life is over? It's a trivial detail anyway.

Yea alright, live a little bit longer, until the kids grow up. Then just die. That's pretty much what happens.

[The_Mayor]

It's been five days since I washed with soap or shampoo, and everything is great! :smile: For the first few days I was odor free, even after sweating from exercise, but when I went hiking at a creek I was sweating like crazy and started to stink. Usually after my shower any smell would go away, but not this time. I didn't want to go back to using deodorant, so I tried apple cider vinegar with no luck. I got some baking soda yesterday and used it as deodorant and it worked instantly! Not only that, but I used some on my hair and it no longer feels oily.

I also stopped using toothpaste yesterday. I brush after eating each meal just to be safe, and used baking soda last night (which tasted really salty). I read that one shouldn't brush with baking soda every day though. Does anybody know why?

So it seems I'm going all out with this thing even though I didn't plan on it. haha YARR :swashy:

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

I'm still pretty much being a pirate apart from I'm brushing my teeth once a week with toothpaste because I don't have a lot of control over my eating situation atm, it's still pretty much high protein, higher fats, very little carbs, but there is a day or two each week with sugars/carbs. I'm also washing my hair with shampoo once a week too, simply because I like my hair being dry & fluffy + slightly more manageable.

:music:Grimy bitch, I wear the same shit for 3days:music:

[JimmyKewl]

soda is alkaline and reduce acid in your mouth, that`s why it is used for brushing teeth.
and Jackamaideshwang post about teeth is awesome :P. Teeth will have no problem while your diet and general healt is good.

[Jackamaideshwang]

The Mayor, good on you man, good to hear. I find when I have a shower, if I scrub my armpits well with a washer or something they don't stink afterward. It might be to do with removing some dead skin cells that may harbor bacteria. I had an experiment a while back with trimming my armpit hairs, and that greatly reduced any odor.

The baking soda works as a detergent, as they are both very alkaline and work the same way with oils, bacteria etc. If you're using baking soda for hair, you might not get the "natural hair benefit", but it is a viable, healthier alternative to using shampoos.
With the teeth, it's good to have a drink of water after a meal and give it a quick swish around your mouth. I floss and brush gently twice a day which seems to work great.

This whole thing can be surprisingly fun :smile:

Haha Aiden, it's still better than doing it everyday. Think of it as having 7 times less chance of developing something nasty down the track than everyday users.

[Sam H]

I've been using only water to brush my teeth for many years now. They aren't exactly pearly-white but they're alright I guess.

[Swartz]

I was recently told I smelled nice and that wasn't from abstaining from washing you dirty sluts. *still disapproves of thread*

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hahaha Swartz, you'll try it out one day, then you'll see we're not dirty sluts... just promiscuous.

[Swartz]

Never. You can kiss my magical ass!

[Inkrepid]

This thread is disgusting.

[Swartz]

This thread is disgusting.

Finally.

[AndyLeTerrible]

I like using products.

It feels good to have a shower then put on a fine fragrance

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

I piss over myself after showering

[Jackamaideshwang]

On an unrelated note, I got straight 7's at uni this semester!
Yeah baby!!! Lightweight!!!
I owe it all to not washing my hair and going in barefoot to my lectures :P

[tpvlyrm]

You're the only person in the world who lives in Australia, so can you explain your grading system and what 7's mean?

[Jackamaideshwang]

Oh serious. It's a High distinction, or an A+. Excuse my ignorance.

[tpvlyrm]

Excuse my ignorance.

No, Jack - excuse my ignorance.

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/jernsky/pOrnO%20q%20tO/th_manshake.gif

[Jackamaideshwang]

Hahaha that cracked me up.
http://www.jaunted.com/files/admin/gay_buenos_aires.jpg

[tpvlyrm]

Those guys are absolutely beautiful