kicks

[stephenrenney]

does anyone kick anymore? lol

[sebben]

hardly :-/

[Kyle McLean]

yes stephen. shut up.

[AsoBit]

My flips/twists suck because all I do is kick :smile:

But my kicks suck too :tongue:

[Gyce]

i try... :tongue:

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59264 :punched:

[Braka]

I DO !

[Zelu!]

yes.

[petebull]

really... in share your vids??

anyways yes:

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56226

[OpenxEyedxBeast]

I love kicking.

[Kyle McLean]

really... in share your vids??

anyways yes:

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56226

and u use an example from 3 months ago.....lol

[sesshoumaru]

does anyone kick anymore? lol

Not if there isn't 50-million spins preceding it...no.

But in all seriousness, the balance between kicks and twists are becoming more even. Now the issue is more about the quality of the kick or move as a whole. Some people conclude that just because someone can kick out of a relatively difficult move [like a Doubleleg Twist, Double Btwist, etc.] that they can kick very well...when we very well know that there is a difference between kicking and flailing your leg out there.

[EmpRitz]

Kicks are the coolest tricks imo.

[Gyce]

Not if there isn't 50-million spins preceding it...no.

But in all seriousness, the balance between kicks and twists are becoming more even. Now the issue is more about the quality of the kick or move as a whole. Some people conclude that just because someone can kick out of a relatively difficult move [like a Doubleleg Twist, Double Btwist, etc.] that they can kick very well...when we very well know that there is a difference between kicking and flailing your leg out there.

my thoughts in better words :tongue:

[Kyle McLean]

Not if there isn't 50-million spins preceding it...no.

But in all seriousness, the balance between kicks and twists are becoming more even. Now the issue is more about the quality of the kick or move as a whole. Some people conclude that just because someone can kick out of a relatively difficult move [like a Doubleleg Twist, Double Btwist, etc.] that they can kick very well...when we very well know that there is a difference between kicking and flailing your leg out there.

or say bs12 where u fall over and stick out your leg. lol. jk

but i dont fully agree with this. on some of the harder double full varaitions ive been playing with lately no matter how hard i try or how perfect the kick feels when i look at footage it still looks slightly like a leg fail even though i know im kicking with everything i got.

[BrandonLenz]

I kick alot. you should know thats all I can do by now. same with Attila

[TiVo]

Kicking is overrated! HAR HAR HAR!

[AdamSwaluk]

I'm working on it, but I wasn't raised in a ninja village in some obscure corner of Japan, so it's difficult for me to get a foothold in the realm of kicking tricks.

[Kyle McLean]

no one on this forum was.

[Frederik]

All i do is kicks lol, so for some its a problem!=)

[Vulture916]

Kick kick kiCk KICK

[Martial Way]

every single day

[Vaughnya]

kicks ryhme with tricks so they must be done!

[Nathan.P.]

Not if there isn't 50-million spins preceding it...no.

But in all seriousness, the balance between kicks and twists are becoming more even. Now the issue is more about the quality of the kick or move as a whole. Some people conclude that just because someone can kick out of a relatively difficult move [like a Doubleleg Twist, Double Btwist, etc.] that they can kick very well...when we very well know that there is a difference between kicking and flailing your leg out there.

I agree.

Idk this is my opinion but I find a more basic/simple trick with an awesome kick cooler then a difficult trick with a shitty kick. Spins and flips are less valuable then a good kick for me.

[ninjabranden07]

i 1st started with only flipping and twisting, but now i try to work on my kicks as much as possible to be more well rounded.

[NinjabunnyTNB]

I kick alot. you should know thats all I can do by now. same with Attila

I mainly kick...but that's cause I suck at twists and flips haha.

I've seen too many videos where people have claimed to have landed a new kick trick, but the kick is at waist level....I guess that's ok if you're looking to kill some midgets. But I think the kick should at least be at the height of your chest (minimum) or head (trick to kill, yo).

[Safari]

Kicking is the hardest part about tricking because it's hard to have an "individual technique" on them [it's easier to customise your own twists and flips]. But these days twist kicks and "power move" kicks is in the air [Full kick variations and double twist with kick variations]. I guess kicking is not dying but rather evolving, but by this I don't say that "Real Basics" are done the way they did before.

[Kyle McLean]

well put saf.

i dont think kicks are dissappearing but being blended with teh twist and flips better then they used to be.

[JarmoZ]

Not if there isn't 50-million spins preceding it...no.

But in all seriousness, the balance between kicks and twists are becoming more even. Now the issue is more about the quality of the kick or move as a whole. Some people conclude that just because someone can kick out of a relatively difficult move [like a Doubleleg Twist, Double Btwist, etc.] that they can kick very well...when we very well know that there is a difference between kicking and flailing your leg out there.

I agree!

I agree.

Idk this is my opinion but I find a more basic/simple trick with an awesome kick cooler then a difficult trick with a shitty kick. Spins and flips are less valuable then a good kick for me.

I agree with this also! Good c7 or even Tornado looks cooler than a bad 720 triple or something..

And also, im trying to kick every day :D Kicks are only thing i can do..

[cHiNoDaFiLiPiNo]

a video to ease your pain:
http://www.vimeo.com/3064109

[TKD_Andy]

But in all seriousness, the balance between kicks and twists are becoming more even.

lol what?

its gone in completely the opposite way. There are far, far more people out there now who twist more (and prefer to do so) than kick. Just look at the hype around scott skelton etc.

Also being down on people who are throwing kicks in things like DLT's shouldnt be discouraged; it shows the people who twist are still throwing kicks in their speciality moves (even if they're poor kicks, theyre still trying).

[Safari]

Why can't everyone just be friends? :) <3

[TKD_Andy]

i watched your samp last night safari, it was awesome!

im definately going to try the superman thing you did :good:

[orichiu]

Yay for kicks ^^

[Neo Dingsit.]

i agree with sessh. the issue is quality and it always has been. i hope this doesn't upset anyone but next to nobody can kick with a refined style.

don't get me wrong, there are plenty of fantastic trickers out there with some fairly nice kicks, but you never see anyone on that level with kicks. you never see the "full package" any more. (there are exceptions, but i won't list them)

i'm not a fan of making comparisons but look at some of the things people were throwing at loopkicks camp 2004/2005 and compare it to the ones just passed. the tricks weren't really as good but the refined style of kicking was a lot more apparent.

again, not to put anyone down here. :good:

[Shadow5217]

Kicking is the shit.

[SeanS]

Why can't everyone just be friends? :) <3

Severin <3

[GSimp]

I can kick better and do more kicking tricks than flips and twists. In my mind, kicks are the meat of the steak, potatoes and corn that is tricking.

[Safari]

i watched your samp last night safari, it was awesome!

im definately going to try the superman thing you did :good:

Ah thanks a lot, Andy!

Severin <3

<3

[KJER]

does anyone kick anymore? lol

amen

[simon]

haha tkd andy always brings up that scotty skelton doesn't kick.

1. he does.
2. who put you in charge?

[frankinstine]

Kicks are fun. But flips are more fun.

[JarmoZ]

haha tkd andy always brings up that scotty skelton doesn't kick.

1. he does.

Omg! Hard to believe that ;)

[thaison]

yesss some australians kick!

[saulus]

i see so many crazy kicks these days that i don't understand the threat it's kind of senseless.. i mean.. people just look around... watch some samps... there are plenty of crazy kicks and just because not everybody is kicking all the time doesn't mean anything...
personally i do mostly kicks btw so my opinion is not based on personal preference i just don't see the point...

[GoldVision]

I do more kicks than flips and twists, definately a kicker here.

[Badams]

I did a kick once....didn't want to, but I did it.

never again

[Ott]

Trying as hard as i can. But It's harder with a sloppy ankle!!

[Leonardo]

Ott you're nuts... the injury doesn't show at all when you kick or trick for that matter...
you're too awesome

[Dantess]

I think it has something to do with the fact that, when you land a new twist or flip, generally it will look pretty decent already. Especially for the easy ones like btwist - cork and gainer switch - cork. It's pretty much an instant "level up" when you land a new twist/flip.

Kicks you have to train for much longer for them to really improve. Even if you can do the kick, there is a huge difference between landing it and then doing it well.

These days because doing... I dunno, say; c720 - outside sweep - scoot - cork is seen as a pretty easy combo, when someone new comes into Tricking I'm guessing they feel as if they aren't really doing much compared to people who are landing multiple doubles in their combos.

But the thing is, the "best people"; Anis, Danny G, Prodigy, all have excellent kicking technique as well. Even if someone can land the same moves as these guys, it just doesn't look good at all in comparison.

It seems as if the majority of people who have started Tricking since these really big moves have started being chucked around, either; can't be bothered to spend the time refining their foundations because they just want to be landing the high-level twisting techniques OR they simply don't perceive Martial Arts as a prime factor in the activity due to the fact it isn't actively or correctly represented by the people who frequently post videos on this forum.

[Hadyn]

I consider myself pretty well rounded, not sooo great at twists. My kicks are probably my strong point however. I feel not many people kick like they did in the old school, it was all so martial arts orientated back then.

[The13thAce]

the biggest problem i believe is just lack of information. you'll have groups that know a lot about one variety of technique and vice versa, and that's why you see so many groups that regularly train with only themselves seeing limited progress on certain skills over an extended period of time.

think back in the day, most of the tricksters came from the NASKA circuit and other related things. it's safe to assume they were all putting all their hours under the experienced and corrective watch of instructors doing their slow kicks, target kicking, bag work and footwork drills etc.

then we go through a few "generations" of people hopping on board the tricking bandwagon that have no access to dojo life and only to the internet, and they get their info on how to hook, round, axe n sidekick from watching samplers and playing copy cat or by reading that one tutorial that one time on how to "properly execute a spinning hook kick".

but in all seriousness, is there really a detailed compilation on the internet on how to stretch specifically for your kicks or exactly how to do all the kicking drills that are pretty essential for developing the strength and flexibility for "properly executing a spinning hook kick", etc.? because nothing really comes to mind for me, and i know when i was starting out there was no way i could have comprehended concepts like turning your hips over or pivoting the foot if someone didn't show me.


I fucking love kicks sooo hard, and i believe they are as necessary in tricking as your flipping and twisting. I really don't think there are that many tricksters who disagree with this and i think a lot of people try to kick, they just don't know how to do it to a definitive martial arts standard so they do it how they can make it work for them.


ultimately if people want to see more of X, then maybe the people that know how to do X should speculate a little bit more on how do to it so people who don't know can have more of an idea on how to get there.

[Vatic]

I kick, and a lot and I am getting kinda good at them.

Kicks make Tricking, Tricking. Without them its Tumbling or Break Dancing really.

[TKD_Andy]

haha tkd andy always brings up that scotty skelton doesn't kick.


his kicking ability is disproportionate to his non-tricking twisting, yet more people find it appealing than a kicking sampler of equal ability.

[Safari]

his kicking ability is disproportionate to his non-tricking twisting, yet more people find it appealing than a kicking sampler of equal ability.

I assume that you know this allready buuuut.. double twisting and big moves will always look more impressive than a hook kick, even tho a good hook is 9000 times harder than a double full [atleast for backyard trickers]. Kicks does only look good if you can make them look clean [Ben Brown, LK guys], but double twisting will always "look good" even though the technique is full of flaws.

it's so much easier to spot flaws in kicks.. Kicking should be more appreciated, but since we lack pure kickers out there it's hard to "recruit" new-gen people to do kicks instead of twists.

[saulus]

i have to say that for myself kicks are much easier then twists and flips and i can't understand the reason for people telling the difference...
i rather drill kick moves 2 hours till they look good instead of doing 100 twists falling on my ass and getting hurt pretty bad... i got my worst injuries on twist moves and i was NEVER injuried or even hurt from a kick...

[Safari]

i have to say that for myself kicks are much easier then twists and flips and i can't understand the reason for people telling the difference...
i rather drill kick moves 2 hours till they look good instead of doing 100 twists falling on my ass and getting hurt pretty bad... i got my worst injuries on twist moves and i was NEVER injuried or even hurt from a kick...

But this is individual, I have got more injuries from kicking than from twisting.. and yes, kicks are in theory easy, but doing good kicks are hard.. So now since you find kicks much easier I see you as a good kicker, but that might change when I see footy of you.. Loads of people can kick, but being good at kicks is something out of most peoples league.

[saulus]

But this is individual, I have got more injuries from kicking than from twisting.. and yes, kicks are in theory easy, but doing good kicks are hard.. So now since you find kicks much easier I see you as a good kicker, but that might change when I see footy of you.. Loads of people can kick, but being good at kicks is something out of most peoples league.

im not a good kicker when it comes to being really clean and having really sharp kicks.. but kicks are much easier to learn for me, i can also do many more kick tricks than twist or flips..
i guess being really good at kicks is unique your right...
only really good kickers that come to my mind are ben brown and bubba...

[The13thAce]

im not a good kicker when it comes to being really clean and having really sharp kicks.. but kicks are much easier to learn for me, i can also do many more kick tricks than twist or flips..
i guess being really good at kicks is unique your right...
only really good kickers that come to my mind are ben brown and bubba...

what about kalman, marcel jones, tim man, anis, prodigy, chris dee, danny graham, matt emig, sam lee, crazy asian, doeni, alvin kash chan to name a few

[saulus]

what about kalman, marcel jones, tim man, anis, prodigy, chris dee, danny graham, matt emig, sam lee, crazy asian, doeni, alvin kash chan to name a few

tim man, chris dee, doeni yes...
but the others don't have the special something i was looking for...
of course they have all extremely good kicks without a doubt but aren't as outstanding as those guys...
if there were 100 trickers with completely black suits and masks i could probably find out who is who from just a single hook kick or ch7 or whatever...
:smile:

[The13thAce]

tim man, chris dee, doeni yes...
but the others don't have the special something i was looking for...
of course they have all extremely good kicks without a doubt but aren't as outstanding as those guys...
if there were 100 trickers with completely black suits and masks i could probably find out who is who from just a single hook kick or ch7 or whatever...
:smile:

not to sound like a douche or anything but how many of those guys have you seen trick in person?

[Safari]

not to sound like a douche or anything but how many of those guys have you seen trick in person?

haha, what? Explain!

[The13thAce]

haha, what? Explain!

i'm just saying, if you're looking for that "special something" like the way they snap their kicks, that's not always the most apparent through video, surely you know what i mean. not to mention the pieces of the persons repertoire that aren't on tape.

[TBoyd]

I like kicks. I like twists. I like flips.

I love tricking.

[Kyle McLean]

what about kalman, marcel jones, tim man, anis, prodigy, chris dee, danny graham, matt emig, sam lee, crazy asian, doeni, alvin kash chan to name a few

tim man, chris dee, doeni yes...
but the others don't have the special something i was looking for...
of course they have all extremely good kicks without a doubt but aren't as outstanding as those guys...
if there were 100 trickers with completely black suits and masks i could probably find out who is who from just a single hook kick or ch7 or whatever...
:smile:

lololololololol.

thats hilarious.

kalman csoka - sickest jacknife, orginator of c1080 double anyone???

marcel jones - the meanest Illusion ive ever seen. not to mention his basic kicks are flawless. and his Pop 3 to split ....DROOL

anis - amazing jacknife, flawless hooks on all his tricks all the way up to his pop 1080

danny graham - have you ever heard some one make the pop sound with their karate pants....he can do this i basketball shorts. he could kick down trees....with his snapus.

matt emig - have u seen the loopkicks battle his first combo had like 7 C900s matt is crazy strong with his kicks

sam lee - AUTOBAHN thats all i have to say

James Yu aka crazy asian - i believe we have all seen the video of him doing basic kicks with out putting his foot down as random people yell out kicks

[TKD_Andy]

I assume that you know this allready buuuut.. double twisting and big moves will always look more impressive than a hook kick, even tho a good hook is 9000 times harder than a double full [atleast for backyard trickers].

i agree, but for me twisting isn't the meat of tricking. I'd always rather see someone do a clean c9 or c10 than do the worst ever c12 etc. I've always been of the perspective that its martial arts tricks, and i have to admit i'm worried that in the future, people will forget that altogether. Hence why i'm slightly overprotective of the kicks. I want them to stay!

Kicks does only look good if you can make them look clean [Ben Brown, LK guys], but double twisting will always "look good" even though the technique is full of flaws.

thats a perfect analagy, and i plan to steal it for future reference!!

you're absolutely right, there are people who can't do the basic kicks but can double this or that and people love them, simply because they can do twists. This is probably why gymnasts rail trickers, because although we can twist, they sure as hell can do it cleaner.


it's so much easier to spot flaws in kicks.. Kicking should be more appreciated, but since we lack pure kickers out there it's hard to "recruit" new-gen people to do kicks instead of twists.

dude, seriously. Get to the UK. I think you and me would get on awesomely.

I know exactly what you mean, teaching at tricksoc has been incredible, but the people there have given me a frank insight into what they want to learn- flips and twists! Just because the media saturation is based around these two, rather than quality kicks.

Saying that though, there are people there who have ALOT of potential, including people with less than 6 months experience doing the best inverted cresc540s i've seen in a long time, as well as people making breakthroughs on 540s and other kicks in record time (one of our female students can 540 after a few sessions!).

We've just got to keep the momentum going, because kicks_are_hard.

there are so many people with incredible kicks, I just wish they were as highly valued as double this or double that.


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kalman csoka - sickest jacknife, orginator of c1080 double anyone???


I'm a massive fan of Csoka, simply because he went from winning XKC's without throwing a kick to having some of worlds best kicking tricks years later.

[TiVo]

Alvin Kash Chan.

Revolutionized high level kicks in tricking.

double pump cheat9s! First hypercheat9 on tape ever and to a target as well.

Surely, he doesn't leave an impression............

[HaoTwo]

i agree, but for me twisting isn't the meat of tricking. I'd always rather see someone do a clean c9 or c10 than do the worst ever c12 etc. I've always been of the perspective that its martial arts tricks, and i have to admit i'm worried that in the future, people will forget that altogether. Hence why i'm slightly overprotective of the kicks. I want them to stay!

I agree very highly with this.

Martial Arts Tricking should retain its origins to keep the original "spirit" (if you will) of what it started out as. I feel that as Trickers we should be "faithful" to this and devote time and effort to learn and really appreciate kicks of a high level.

That's probably worded very wrong but hopefully you get the gist of what I mean

[TKD_Andy]

above post:


one of TrickSocs kickers :good:

[saulus]

not to sound like a douche or anything but how many of those guys have you seen trick in person?

anis, doeni, danny, chris dee, crazy asian
probably more.. loopkicks 2005.06.07 germany

[saulus]

lololololololol.

thats hilarious.

kalman csoka - sickest jacknife, orginator of c1080 double anyone???

marcel jones - the meanest Illusion ive ever seen. not to mention his basic kicks are flawless. and his Pop 3 to split ....DROOL

anis - amazing jacknife, flawless hooks on all his tricks all the way up to his pop 1080

danny graham - have you ever heard some one make the pop sound with their karate pants....he can do this i basketball shorts. he could kick down trees....with his snapus.

matt emig - have u seen the loopkicks battle his first combo had like 7 C900s matt is crazy strong with his kicks

sam lee - AUTOBAHN thats all i have to say

James Yu aka crazy asian - i believe we have all seen the video of him doing basic kicks with out putting his foot down as random people yell out kicks

i know all of that of course i was just refering to their single kicks as i said... i know they are all extremely great at kicks.. but those who i pointed out are the most outstanding for me.. not for the difficutly of the trick but the kick itself.. there's nothing to argue about that.. just my opinion!

[Safari]

i'm just saying, if you're looking for that "special something" like the way they snap their kicks, that's not always the most apparent through video, surely you know what i mean. not to mention the pieces of the persons repertoire that aren't on tape.

I understood it, but I just had to make sure.. Bro, you're right.. But I disagree a bit, because you'll always recognize a "famous" style even if everyone was dressed in the same clothes and masks. He talked about "STYLE" and not about "TRICKS/KICKS" those are veeeery different.

Style is the visual effect a person send out [ through tricks or just by walking for instance].

EDIT:

To Andy!

This might be the first time we agree with each other *highfive*. I will come to the UK someday, but Bergen gatrhering 9th july - 12th july, bro.. ;)

[saulus]

I understood it, but I just had to make sure.. Bro, you're right.. But I disagree a bit, because you'll always recognize a "famous" style even if everyone was dressed in the same clothes and masks. He talked about "STYLE" and not about "TRICKS/KICKS" those are veeeery different.

Style is the visual effect a person send out [ through tricks or just by walking for instance ].

:good:

[NyCz JeSteR]

i kick everyday.

http://www.divshare.com/download/7273037-6b7

[Adotindie]

i hate samplers without kicking ,
this aint gymnastics

[rocketbaz]

i never kick

[Safari]

i hate samplers without kicking ,
this aint gymnastics

your words, bro. I like to define tricking as "whatever you want to do" [ofc in an acrobatic matter, I was kinda waiting for lame replies for that]. A sampler presents you as a tricker/person/whatever and not "TRICKING"/"MAT". I dunno you can't really call it gymnastics if it lacks kicks.

[Purple ZoDz]

i hate samplers without kicking ,
this aint gymnastics

Its like saying. "I hate samplers without flips", this isnt TKD, this isnt capoera, this isnt kickboxing.

THIS IS TRICKING.

I love sampler where people can kicks, can twists, can flips. Can combo both in and out of eachother. Wheater it is from a frontflip, or a hook.

[sesshoumaru]

Its like saying. "I hate samplers without flips", this isnt TKD, this isnt capoera, this isnt kickboxing.

THIS IS TRICKING.

I love sampler where people can kicks, can twists, can flips. Can combo both in and out of eachother. Wheater it is from a frontflip, or a hook.

For me...it's more like this:

I like samplers that are full of variations. It's one thing to throw BT, it's another thing to show me all the ways you can use the damn thing. The samplers that impress me the most are the samplers that show a person's versatility; not just in trick-types [twist, kick, flip, etc.], but in variation. Many people post samplers and trainers of them busting tricks in their basic form [Crescent Singleleg, Btwist, Bkick, Cork, Aerial, etc.], it is rare for me to see people combo with tricks that exist as variations of a preexisting trick [without adding extra twists - such as: Crescent Singleleg Swipe, Btwist Doubleleg, Bkick Double, Cork Rodeo, Aerial Switch, etc.].

I've mentioned this before, but there are over 160 individual tricks that exist in MAT, and 70 of them are standard [base requirement for trick doesn't include elements of style such as: multiple kicks, transitions, special setups, grabs, or positions], which is all I really see in samplers today. What about the other 90 tricks that we know exist, but don't use?

I know that I've been tricking longer than all of you, and that I see tricking differently and all; but the creativeness in regards to combinations hasn't quite surfaced for the majority of you. Like all things, this will change in time...I'm just amazed it has taken this long, especially with fine examples like: Safari, Kyle Mclean, Ott, Flow, Prodigy, Manny Brown, Devon, Jaime, Rudy, and Cory [to name a few].

Sure you can 540...sure you can 540 from Btwist; but can you msl 540 from Flash? Can you 540 to Flash? How about Corkscrew...we've all seen Cork > hook. How about Cork Doubleleg > Kim-Do Kick? These aren't terribly hard to do, but they are dope...and it's amazing that we haven't really seen them much, but we're all in super-rush to double something up, instead of fully integrating it into one's repertoire.

It's not even about "kicks" so much anymore...show me something I haven't done yet. Show me something that comes from you, that no one else is really doing...it does not have to be hard, just be original and keep it smooth.

:: EDIT ::

This thread should be moved to the General Trick Discussion subforum. This is actually a request...

[BrandonLenz]

I mainly kick...but that's cause I suck at twists and flips haha.

I've seen too many videos where people have claimed to have landed a new kick trick, but the kick is at waist level....I guess that's ok if you're looking to kill some midgets. But I think the kick should at least be at the height of your chest (minimum) or head (trick to kill, yo).


lol, your kicks are beast, you need to film then and put them in Share your vids. i will bring a camera and tripod to film the entire session this weekend, we will put your kicks in share your vids. i will also join you big kids i guess...

[Nathan.P.]

i agree with sessh. the issue is quality and it always has been. i hope this doesn't upset anyone but next to nobody can kick with a refined style.

don't get me wrong, there are plenty of fantastic trickers out there with some fairly nice kicks, but you never see anyone on that level with kicks. you never see the "full package" any more. (there are exceptions, but i won't list them)

i'm not a fan of making comparisons but look at some of the things people were throwing at loopkicks camp 2004/2005 and compare it to the ones just passed. the tricks weren't really as good but the refined style of kicking was a lot more apparent.

again, not to put anyone down here. :good:

Oh man I agree with this so much....and the people nowadays that still have that refined style of kicking are the same people who had it originally with the exception of a few of course. I just hope that this is still strived for in tricking. I think its what makes tricking cool. I know I need to strive more towards that myself.

Maybe this is just one of the downsides of tricking being moved away from the tournament scene.....less focus of having really solid tricks and more focus on having the most spins.

[Neo Dingsit.]

Oh man I agree with this so much....and the people nowadays that still have that refined style of kicking are the same people who had it originally with the exception of a few of course. I just hope that this is still strived for in tricking. I think its what makes tricking cool. I know I need to strive more towards that myself.

Maybe this is just one of the downsides of tricking being moved away from the tournament scene.....less focus of having really solid tricks and more focus on having the most spins.

i've been thinking the same thing many times. i've a feeling we have a very similar taste in tricks :wink:

i'm lucky enough to train with people that i think have that refined style so they influence my source of inspiration heavily. it's something i'm always working towards.

[Kyle McLean]

am i the only one that feels like we are moving forwards in kicks. and not backwards

[Skilzat85X]

am i the only one that feels like we are moving forwards in kicks. and not backwards

I agree with you actually. People can only spin and flip so much, in that regard the human body is limited. But, they can throw all kinds of crazy kicks out of almost any twist or flip that you could imagine!

It's like has been brought out before, kicks are evolving. Just because there's a few spins before a kick doesn't mean it's bad, in fact it demonstrates even more prowess.

[Kyle McLean]

ya me and skilz agree for like the 2nd time ever!!!

but really guys i mean you bring up some good points about alot of people just doing twists. but even the twisters are trying to kick now a days.

and as far as these ridiculous comparisons of i would "rather see a perfect c9 double then a shit c12." no shit really. ofc you would rather see a perfect trick over a shit one. but just wait until that shit c12 is refined then you are gonna be drooling. guess what...we've been seeing c9s FOREVER! all the back to alvin cash....most new guys dont even know who that is. when did we start seeing c12 attempts. a year ago? give it time that ugly kick will soon be good. but im sure all of you critizing those who are twisting high degree and then attempting to kick could do a perfect c12. wait probably your dont push to get tricks that havent even been landed. your probably the ones that stick to wants already been done and wait for someone else to push the limits.

oh and guess what those who are trying these hard kicks, have good basic kicks. so i dont understand why people jump on them " oh your kick was bad on that bs12, c12 etc." but wait lets look at there 9s oh yea there awesome make us jizz in our pants.


i choose to use the 12s for this but it applies to many tricks. like people complaining back when i was training my cart illusion twist round. "oh your round was shit." lets see u do better. dont u think im working to get it better.

gah.

/rant

[dpitlock]

you would think i was a twister. i dont do or practices twists or flips at all. I just do them and land them. I kick alot. i love every second of it.

i am the creator of the hook kick

[Rudy]

i kick

[Safari]

am i the only one that feels like we are moving forwards in kicks. and not backwards

I've been trying to tell people this for hours now..

[BboyAgua]

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I know that I've been tricking longer than all of you, and that I see tricking differently and all; but the creativeness in regards to combinations hasn't quite surfaced for the majority of you. Like all things, this will change in time...I'm just amazed it has taken this long, especially with fine examples like: Safari, Kyle Mclean, Ott, Flow, Prodigy, Manny Brown, Devon, Jaime, Rudy, and Cory [to name a few].


It's not even about "kicks" so much anymore...show me something I haven't done yet. Show me something that comes from you, that no one else is really doing...it does not have to be hard, just be original and keep it smooth.


540 > crescent > airflare > coindrop > backtuck

single hand hops > s/t kip up half turn > BHS > s/t gainer

My combos agree with you sir.

[The13thAce]

anis, doeni, danny, chris dee, crazy asian
probably more.. loopkicks 2005.06.07 germany

I understood it, but I just had to make sure.. Bro, you're right.. But I disagree a bit, because you'll always recognize a "famous" style even if everyone was dressed in the same clothes and masks. He talked about "STYLE" and not about "TRICKS/KICKS" those are veeeery different.

Style is the visual effect a person send out [ through tricks or just by walking for instance].

EDIT:

To Andy!

This might be the first time we agree with each other *highfive*. I will come to the UK someday, but Bergen gatrhering 9th july - 12th july, bro.. ;)



my bad, i misunderstood your context.

[Safari]

my bad, i misunderstood your context.

S'aaaaall good, bro :)

[Iikkap]

your words, bro. I like to define tricking as "whatever you want to do" [ofc in an acrobatic matter, I was kinda waiting for lame replies for that]. A sampler presents you as a tricker/person/whatever and not "TRICKING"/"MAT". I dunno you can't really call it gymnastics if it lacks kicks.

Seeing that the "complete" name of tricking is Martial Arts Tricking, it kinda implies that kicks should be performed. Just in the way capoeira doesn't exist without music, I can't see tricking existing without kicks. They're the foundation, the roots of tricking, where everything started from.

am i the only one that feels like we are moving forwards in kicks. and not backwards

Don't know if it's just me, but no matter how hard I try I can't see twisting/flipping tricks with kicks in them as kicking tricks. A boxcutter, for example, looks completely awesome, but I view it as a twist trick. If I see a twist-tricker doing a boxcutter, I don't really think "yay, he's kicking too, not just twisting". I'm not saying I don't enjoy boxcutters/hyperhooks/full swipe gyros/whatever, they're awesome, I just can't view them as, atleast, pure kick tricks.

So I guess the people who are stating their opinions about kicking not being very well-presented today mean sort of the same thing, that PURE kick tricks aren't seen that much.

[pete_man_man]

hasn't anyone stopped to think just how truly random kicking is....

[Neo Dingsit.]

"random" in some cases maybe haha

[xrobbatesx]

his kicking ability is disproportionate to his non-tricking twisting, yet more people find it appealing than a kicking sampler of equal ability.

Besides everyone isn't going to be perfectly balanced, people will go in there favourite direction as will i...

and you see way more kicking then dub swing dubs and tripple s.t's, we see kicks all the time...

[Safari]

Seeing that the "complete" name of tricking is Martial Arts Tricking, it kinda implies that kicks should be performed. Just in the way capoeira doesn't exist without music, I can't see tricking existing without kicks. They're the foundation, the roots of tricking, where everything started from.

This is ofc true, but this is also a personal preference.. Have you ever seen any type of art form NOT evolving into something new?

Tricking is evolving in many directions, some wanna keep it traditional, others wanna be more BBoy based, some wanna do twisting instead of kicks etc.

Sorry, bro, I don't agree with you fully even though what you say is true.

[Skilzat85X]

If you guys are going to whine so much about needed kicks kicks kicks and only kicks because it's "Martial Arts Tricking", you better also start doing punches, blocks, stances, meditation, sparring, and various other combative principles. And while you're at it, start doing kicks like actual martial artists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PzfZvEc5QM

[xrobbatesx]

Infact if your gonna whine that much just do tkd guys!
easy as that :)

[stephenrenney]

lol i didnt mean to make such a serious thread lol

[Skilzat85X]

Hahaha, but Stephen this is a very serious place! Very serious! :smile:

[Safari]

If you guys are going to whine so much about needed kicks kicks kicks and only kicks because it's "Martial Arts Tricking", you better also start doing punches, blocks, stances, meditation, sparring, and various other combative principles. And while you're at it, start doing kicks like actual martial artists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PzfZvEc5QM

haha!
Infact if your gonna whine that much just do tkd guys!
easy as that :)

Skilz' new copy-cat?
lol i didnt mean to make such a serious thread lol

Terminology is an infinite discussion, Stephen. We love it! haha

[Snoski]

The problem with most of you guys is that you think other people actually care what you think.

[xrobbatesx]

haha!


Skilz' new copy-cat?


Terminology is an infinite discussion, Stephen. We love it! haha


nope was just emphasising his point :smile:

[lazy]

Well first of I must say that this thread really surprised me guys. It's like you've all grown up and are able to have adult conversations with each other without acting like douchebags and telling each other to fuck off. Good game :wink:


Now back to the thread:

If there is something we can all can agree on, it's that we all LOVE Martial Arts Tricking. Witch is pretty obvious in this forum ofc.

But i feel like some of you guys are a bit stuck in the past. The ever ongoing discussions about how it was before when kicking really stood out in this sport and everything was all sharp and ûberawesome proves this.

We all know that in the beginning, kicks was what dominated this sport (and made it stand out from other similar sports), but after a while the flips and twists caught up with the kicks and put them in the shadow. Corks became the most awesome thing a trickster could do (from an average point of view), and new up and coming trickers fell in love with this way of performing tricking. And now we have come to the point where these trickers are trying to contribute to this sport by adding new ways to trick. Twisting/ flip based kicks are getting more popular and this is affecting our small but ever growing community.

In my point of view, this is just a natural stage of a underground sport like this. Like for example skateboarding that started out without all the insane tricks that exist these days.

Mixing in new things and adding elements is what makes these kind of sports evolve and keep fresh, and i don't think we'll ever turn back to what tricking used to be. For some this might be a great loss, but for others it doesn't matter. It's all about different point of views I guess.

I'm not saying that kicks in MAT will disappear, they will come back perhaps even better and more awesome than before. We just have to give this young passion that we all love some time guys.

Now these are just my thoughts around this, just felt like sharing.


Oh yeah and i love kicks btw <3

[sasver]

well i stoped kicks for a while because they suck(i mean mine) need more flexing in my feet :P
trying to kick once again in summer :D or sooner i like kicks btw

[Churoflip]

I only kick to kill faggots and babies

[jan]

does anyone kick anymore? lol

I will when I get fixed.


... in a non-neutering kinda way.

[Hez]

i try to kick but it's so freakin' hard :agony: but probably more contenting to learn so far.

[Skilzat85X]

I personally don't practice Martial Arts Tricking.

[Dragonic MiKe]

I don't know about you guys but my hips practice Martial Arts Clicking! Amirite!?!? :tongue:

[jan]

My hips are practicing martial arts breakingtoshit, ammirite???

[Safari]

I personally don't practice Martial Arts Tricking.

This thread could all be summed up with this sentence. Thumbs up for you, Aaron.:smile:

[jan]

But I practice martial arts based tricking, I am not included in this thread!

SADFACE

[Safari]

But I practice martial arts based tricking, I am not included in this thread!

SADFACE

You're unique, Jan <3 Yu fit in everywhere :wink:

[lazy]

But I practice martial arts based tricking, I am not included in this thread!

SADFACE

It's okey jan. Just ignore mean Mr. Effin longposts and the happyfacedemon :wink:

[jan]

No tricking for a couple of months have made my guitar playing go "FUCK YOU ZOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMM".

It's quite awesome imo.

[Kyle McLean]

this was an interesting thread

[Neo Dingsit.]

If you guys are going to whine so much about needed kicks kicks kicks and only kicks because it's "Martial Arts Tricking", you better also start doing punches, blocks, stances, meditation, sparring, and various other combative principles. And while you're at it, start doing kicks like actual martial artists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PzfZvEc5QM

i'm not sure if you've ever taken formal martial arts but it certainly doesn't sound like it!

saying people's tricking styles look better with more refined kicks is an objective example of an impressive standard, is it not? (of course, you could say similar things about flips and twists) you're adding exponentially to aesthetics - simple logic says that's a good thing!

you're entitled to trick however you want, as is everybody else, but if you're going to bash people for giving a justifiable opinion then you're just showing a lack of maturity. of course, on the flip side, it's not incredibly positive to bash someone for not tricking in a certain way. there are better ways of "upholding the standard".

I personally don't practice Martial Arts Tricking.

now i'm not a fan of most of the terms used for what we do, but are you serious? if so, what do you practice? i'm assuming you mean "tricking" and that you're implying this has no relevance to martial arts. what's unique about "tricking" to you, if you don't mind me asking? (i'm just interested :good:)

The problem with most of you guys is that you think other people actually care what you think.

i'm positive that's something you'll never know :good:

[Iikkap]

This is ofc true, but this is also a personal preference.. Have you ever seen any type of art form NOT evolving into something new?

Tricking is evolving in many directions, some wanna keep it traditional, others wanna be more BBoy based, some wanna do twisting instead of kicks etc.

Sorry, bro, I don't agree with you fully even though what you say is true.

I have seen an art form evolving into something new, but usually then it gets renamed, especially if an essential part of it is lost along the process. Football isn't football, if you remove the ball and replace it with a squirrel and instead of kicking it you smack it with a baseball bat. Some people would find it more entertaining for sure though.

But yeah, I guess the traditional vs cork approach to tricking is sort of like in BBoying tbh, some actually care for the dancing part of it, while others try to get their powermoves as sick as possible.

But yeah, it's pretty much a useless argument since it's a matter of opinion anyway. I'm not a good kicker myself, nor am I a good twister or flipper either, I haven't practiced MA a lot and my kicks lack power and precision, but I enjoy it and kicking tricks are what really define a trickster to me =)

[Nathan.P.]

Wow this thread has turned out positive....

Yeah I agree with Kyle that the more difficult moves that look uglier now will be all refined and pretty and everyone will be doing them in combos flawlessly. I think its awesome that people push kicks as much as they do with twisting and flipping in tricking still.....it should always stay that way. I definitely need to just get better at everything haha

[Kyle McLean]

Wow this thread has turned out positive....

Yeah I agree with Kyle that the more difficult moves that look uglier now will be all refined and pretty and everyone will be doing them in combos flawlessly. I think its awesome that people push kicks as much as they do with twisting and flipping in tricking still.....it should always stay that way. I definitely need to just get better at everything haha

:good::good::good::good::good::good::good:

[DuRBin]

dude i try my best to kick

[Bryanimay]

dude i try my best to kick

And we love you for it .

:smile:

[Kyle McLean]

Don't know if it's just me, but no matter how hard I try I can't see twisting/flipping tricks with kicks in them as kicking tricks. A boxcutter, for example, looks completely awesome, but I view it as a twist trick. If I see a twist-tricker doing a boxcutter, I don't really think "yay, he's kicking too, not just twisting". I'm not saying I don't enjoy boxcutters/hyperhooks/full swipe gyros/whatever, they're awesome, I just can't view them as, atleast, pure kick tricks.



i think if you look at this differently you can see boxcutter as a kicking tricking. for one it has a kick.

if you break down tricking you can basically look at everything revolving around a few base tricks, and all the others come from inverting, adding spins, and adding flips, and changing the take off.

so to u i ask, if i did tornado st 1080 would that qualify as a pure kicking trick. if so....add a little bit of inverison and you get tornado st boxcutter....essiential the same thing all thats different is the perform choose to invert instead of stay vertical.

now if you can honestly say that a boxcutter is not a kicking trick, then im must say (sry for the immaturity) but you are retarded.

[lazy]

i think if you look at this differently you can see boxcutter as a kicking tricking. for one it has a kick.

if you break down tricking you can basically look at everything revolving around a few base tricks, and all the others come from inverting, adding spins, and adding flips, and changing the take off.

so to u i ask, if i did tornado st 1080 would that qualify as a pure kicking trick. if so....add a little bit of inverison and you get tornado st boxcutter....essiential the same thing all thats different is the perform choose to invert instead of stay vertical.

now if you can honestly say that a boxcutter is not a kicking trick, then im must say (sry for the immaturity) but you are retarded.


I think I just fell in love with this guy! :good:

[Rakamarasu]

I likez the kicks, im just not any good at em :<

[Iikkap]

i think if you look at this differently you can see boxcutter as a kicking tricking. for one it has a kick.

if you break down tricking you can basically look at everything revolving around a few base tricks, and all the others come from inverting, adding spins, and adding flips, and changing the take off.

so to u i ask, if i did tornado st 1080 would that qualify as a pure kicking trick. if so....add a little bit of inverison and you get tornado st boxcutter....essiential the same thing all thats different is the perform choose to invert instead of stay vertical.

now if you can honestly say that a boxcutter is not a kicking trick, then im must say (sry for the immaturity) but you are retarded.

Well that's kinda what I meant with pure kicking tricks, boxcutter obviously is a twist-kick hybrid, a combination of both, which is what I meant with saying I don't view it as a kick. Sort of "it has a kick, but it isn't a kick" or something. Kind of the same way a flashkick has a kick, but it's still a flip.

But yeah, I understand your logic, and the comparison to st1080 made me re-consider it, haha, nice one. And well I love boxcutters so in a sense it was a bad example anyway :)

[Skilzat85X]

Tornado, 540, Jacknife, Pop 360, Feilong, and a few other light tricks are the only pure kicking tricks haha.

Cheat 720s, 720s, Cheat 900s, 900s, Hyperhooks, Btwist Rounds, 1080s, and the dozens of variations of these and more are all primarily twisting skills. Without enough spinning skill, it's impossible to get your body into a position where you can adequately kick. You can have the best basic kicks in the universe, but if your setting and spinning technique is whack, you won't be able to 720 + dozens of other tricks.

[tricksterd8]

I kick all day!

[Skilzat85X]

http://www.2learn.ca/construct/graphicorg/venn/3vensm.gif

[Iikkap]

Tornado, 540, Jacknife, Pop 360, Feilong, and a few other light tricks are the only pure kicking tricks haha.

Cheat 720s, 720s, Cheat 900s, 900s, Hyperhooks, Btwist Rounds, 1080s, and the dozens of variations of these and more are all primarily twisting skills. Without enough spinning skill, it's impossible to get your body into a position where you can adequately kick. You can have the best basic kicks in the universe, but if your setting and spinning technique is whack, you won't be able to 720 + dozens of other tricks.

Yeps, but the definition of a twisting trick includes it going horizontal or inverted. Spinning in a "normal" position doesn't qualify for a twisting trick, if you add a kick it becomes a kick, if you take it horizontal or inverted it becomes a twist. Do both and it's a twist+kick hybrid.

And well, my point lies in this: I've seen people who can do boxcutters, but not c720s, pop720s, 540 kicks etc (land them, yes, but kicks aren't about landing, but about making them clean). Why? Because if you're good at corks, and can throw a reasonable hook kick, you can do reasonable looking boxcutters. The ONLY thing that makes the pure kicking tricks look good is the kick. You can do a 1080 spin and look like a ballerina. Adding the deadly kick there is what defines the trick. Hypertwist is still a trick without adding the hook to turn it into a hyperhook, which IMHO is why these twist+kick hybrids tend to have less worthy kicks in general. Also when hooking out of a twist your upperbody is generally quite a bit lower than when doing upright spinning kicks. Takes less flexibility to get them on decent height from there. Chambering, too, is something that's not necessarily needed for twist+kicks to make them look good bearable. (Side note: hyperhook tends to be an exception, don't see that many good hyperhooks from bad kickers)

Following your logic all these double corkers should be good at kicking too. This isn't the case. Why?

[Kyle McLean]

http://www.2learn.ca/construct/graphicorg/venn/3vensm.gif

this basically sums it up...

although i still have a problem with people saying that tricks with kicks arent kick tricks if they have a twist.

sure a boxcutter with out a kick is a still a trick, hyper cork, but it is impossible to boxcutter without a KICK. the main ingredient IMO to the boxcutter is the KICK.

yes, i realize u can reverse my logic and say will u cant boxcutter with out the spin either.

[Iikkap]

this basically sums it up...

although i still have a problem with people saying that tricks with kicks arent kick tricks if they have a twist.

sure a boxcutter with out a kick is a still a trick, hyper cork, but it is impossible to boxcutter without a KICK. the main ingredient IMO to the boxcutter is the KICK.

yes, i realize u can reverse my logic and say will u cant boxcutter with out the spin either.

Well yes, the KICK indeed is what makes a difference between hypercorks and boxcutters, so ofcourse the kick is very, very important there. Twist+kick hybrid as I kind of already said. Same as btwist round, hyperhook, snapu swipe, corkswipe, etc etc etc :) None of them are what they are without the kick in them, so naturally the kick part is very important.

I just like to see a happy mix of both 'pure' kicks and hybrid twist+kicks and flip+twists in samplers, they have a very different feel to them IMO. A hyperfull hook basically has pretty much the same amount of rotation as a bs10, just on twisting and flipping axels combined instead of just spinning upright like a bs10. I, however, like to see both in samplers. Both are awesome tricks, but in different ways.

[Kyle McLean]

im very stubborn haha so i have a few more examples

1) side swipe a true kick? it involves inversion and flip.

if yes then

2) pop 360 gyro a true kick?

if yes then i can concluded that snapuswipe is a true kick technique


edit: i understand what ur saying with the hybrid thing. i just dont personally like it.

[David M.]

when I think boxcutter I think kick. it has a kick therefore it is a kick.

it is technically a twist kick but thats just being too specific. those who aren't ignorant know that it is a twist kick variation when they hear it's name "boxcutter".

i dont fink you really need to go too indepth lol. kicks a kick no matter how many times you spin or if you invert before it.

[Iikkap]

Haha, stubbornism is good :)

1) I don't personally see sideswipe as a flip-type of a move. Sure it goes inverted, but it doesn't really resemble a flip in any other way. It's a kick, especially if done in the "terada sipe" way rather than the "suicide swipe" way. Which looks nearly like an a-switch. I don't really have a logical explanation to why I feel this way, it goes inverted and all, but it just doesn't look like a flip to me, not at all. I guess it's sort of in the fact that cheat setup is generally used for kicks and twists, not flips :)

2) Yes.

But this comes down to what I said earlier about how I view twist tricks. The way I see it, a twist trick has to be horizontal or inverted. Slanted b-twists look gay, so does upright spinning without a kick either before or after. So spinning that happens horizontally or inverted is what "twisting" in tricking means to me. That's how I always explain it to people "Tricking has basically 3 different types of moves, flips, kicks and twists, which means horizontal/inverted spinning (and then I usually explain/do a btwist as an example of a twist), and then there's tricks that combine 2 or 3 of these types, such as a horizontal spin with a kick afterwards"

That's also kinda what the triplecircle posted by Skillz stands for, isn't it? Kicks, twists, flips and their meeting point for hybrid tricks?

[Kyle McLean]

fair enough man. atleast you have some, somewhat logical explanations for your views on tricking.

yes the circles are like the meshing of the three different type of tricks.

edit: oh ya sideswipe is basically a flash kick from a cheat set up. which is why it could be considered flip by your defination.

[Iikkap]

Yesh. I just started thinking a bit further into it tbh. My first "hmm, no explanation" moment was when thinking of a GMS. It's also sort of a kicky move, but then again kinda resembles an aerial, which is pretty much a flip. But THEN AGAIN, it's gmS. GrandmasterSWIPE. Swipe being an up->down kick. So I dunno, haha :)

And also, another thought I had was "well ofc sideswipe is a kick. it's just a 540 that goes inverted", then realized "but damn, as Kyle said, a boxcutter is just a swingthru10 that goes inverted". I guess I need to rethink my view on these moves then, haha.

Okay, another wording then for what I think about tricking today: "I'd like to see more upright kicking tricks in samplers." Does that sound better to you? :)

[Daniel Graham]

http://www.2learn.ca/construct/graphicorg/venn/3vensm.gif

:trophy: yes you can argue that 2 be a tricker is a form of expression and that you trick 2 make yourself happy. my opinion is that there has to be something that sets you apart from a gymnasts, a pure martial artist, an ice skater, and such. you cant just be doing a front flip and a wall flip and some back handsprings and a full and say your a tricker. no youre not, youre a gymnast. the same goes for martial artist, cant say i 540, tornado, illusion, c7, c9, hook and say youre a tricker. again, no youre not. you can say you did a 540, back handspring, full, scoot, hook cartwheel front and call yourself a tricker - you'll just be strong at flips and twists, but at least you've incorporated some kicking techniques in there.

you cant be a tricker without kicks.

in my opinion, you can favor doing kicks or twists in your combo, you'll just be said to be stronger at one or the other. i love all tricks and crazy styles. and just for me, i prefer to be an all around type of tricker. everyone knows i have a lot of kick tricks thats why you see a lot of footage of me lately working on my spin/twisting tricks.

my preference and what is important to me is that i am an all around tricker, not to have every single trick listed out there, not to come up with new tricks all the time, or not to be the first to land a move. what's important to me is to aim to be well-rounded, to have a good balance of kicks, spins, flips, and twists.

if i am watching a battle and i see A throw a lot of spins and some hooks and/or 540s c720s etc, and B is throwing boxcutters and hyperhooks and some twists AND kicks, im gonna give B the win sim ply because I think B has one up on A. He can twist and kick, which one more thing A cant do. of course that is just a basic example, it is a lot more complicated then that.

but point is i do prefer trickers that can kick and twist/flip. but i love you all <3 regardless

[stephenrenney]

i hate you danny

[Daniel Graham]

i hate you danny

i love you 2 papa lol
kicking is the shit if we didnt have kicks we wouldnt have tricking:wink:

kicking is harder then twisting and fliping thats why you dont see alot ppl doing it. it requires precise technique. any one can twist

[zambri]

all i do is kick

[frankinstine]

i love you 2 papa lol
kicking is the shit if we didnt have kicks we wouldnt have tricking:wink:

kicking is harder then twisting and fliping thats why you dont see alot ppl doing it. it requires precise technique. any one can twist

Kicking IS fucking hard.

[Kyle McLean]

Yesh. I just started thinking a bit further into it tbh. My first "hmm, no explanation" moment was when thinking of a GMS. It's also sort of a kicky move, but then again kinda resembles an aerial, which is pretty much a flip. But THEN AGAIN, it's gmS. GrandmasterSWIPE. Swipe being an up->down kick. So I dunno, haha :)

And also, another thought I had was "well ofc sideswipe is a kick. it's just a 540 that goes inverted", then realized "but damn, as Kyle said, a boxcutter is just a swingthru10 that goes inverted". I guess I need to rethink my view on these moves then, haha.

Okay, another wording then for what I think about tricking today: "I'd like to see more upright kicking tricks in samplers." Does that sound better to you? :)

ah yes, my point has finally sunk in!!!

and the tricks u are refering to are called vert kicks...which is what True kick terminology (TKT) is based on.

[Vulture916]

I remember when I was a kick.

[frankinstine]

We spent most of our warm up time at the gym kicking eachother tonight.:good: