Running

[wi boo]

Alright I'm here to offer a little friendly training tip that I've picked up.

Lately I've been doing a lot of distance/endurance training seeing as to my goals to run some marathons and in turn my tricking has improved, mind you I have been doing steady and I continue to train my explosivity and fast twitch muscles as well and I trick on a regular basis.

In short endurance training like running isn't as detrimental to tricking as suspected, so go run and trick.

[Honken]

Video games aren't detrimental, but they sure aren't gonna help your tricks. The only way to gain something from long distance running you'd either have to be in really crap shape or overweight.

So you're basically saying that you've been tricking and lifting really hard lately so long distance running must be good for your tricks?

[n3m3s1s]

My knees hate running, but they seem to love tricking and squats.

[k-slash]

Astounding analogy.

I used to walk quite slowly, but then I started walking faster, and to my DISBELIEF! It didn't become detrimental to my tricking at all!

So guys, start walking faster and trick!

[Jackamaideshwang]

wi_boo does have a point, running can help alot with ankle stability and getting that good "spring/rebound" from your feet/ankle out of your tricks. Weights typically don't develop that aspect unless you're jumping with them or in fact running with them. I doubt running would have much impact on strength of the prime movers though (quads, glutes, hams), so it's more of an accessory for better ankles.

[k-slash]

wi_boo does have a point, running can help alot with ankle stability and getting that good "spring/rebound" from your feet/ankle out of your tricks. Weights typically don't develop that aspect unless you're jumping with them or in fact running with them. I doubt running would have much impact on strength of the prime movers though (quads, glutes, hams), so it's more of an accessory for better ankles.



I'm pretty sure thats what calf raises are for.

Get a barbell, add weights, get something to stand on raising your heels off the floor, and do calf raises, progressively adding more weight.

Running is a vague statement, SPRINTING is where it is at.

amirite?

[Jackamaideshwang]

The sudden adjustments required when you run are quite different to controlled calf raises though. But yeah, sprinting would combine most of the ankle benefits with the prime mover power benefits, it's pretty much where it's at.

[wi boo]

Video games aren't detrimental, but they sure aren't gonna help your tricks. The only way to gain something from long distance running you'd either have to be in really crap shape or overweight.

So you're basically saying that you've been tricking and lifting really hard lately so long distance running must be good for your tricks?

Actually my lifting and tricking has stayed the same if not reduced since I started running, I also wasn't in crap shape or overweight before I started running and I'm still not. Running long distances requires the recruitment of slow twitch muscle fibres, because they are more efficient at sustaining a certain level of activity over a long period of time, and the opposite is that of fast twitch fibres, i.e. those used in explosive activities like lifting and tricking. So in training for marathons/endurance one could say that my fast twitch muscles take a backseat to my slow twitch. But serious endurance training coupled with my previous tricking and lifting amounts has had a significant improvement on my tricking sessions like my endurance in comboes or how long my sessions last for.

[Honken]

running isn't as detrimental to tricking as suspected

my lifting and tricking has stayed the same if not reduced since I started running

:good:

[ninjitsian]

I'm pretty sure thats what calf raises are for.

Get a barbell, add weights, get something to stand on raising your heels off the floor, and do calf raises, progressively adding more weight.

Running is a vague statement, SPRINTING is where it is at.

amirite?

you are right. short sprints make you ripped too! i also think its one of the best things for building fast twich muscle.

[Ashtar]

Running, meaning you're not walking (and only foot ever touches the ground at once) can cover jogging or sprinting.

Jogging is when you focus more on bouncing up and down and loading the legs, it's a bit like skipping or jumping in that rather than focusing totally on going forward, you focus on the bouncing sensation and stuff.

Sprinting is when you focus on going forward at max speed.

The 2nd is more useful, but jogging may not be utterly useless as training (even though it is for skill development) since it can toughen you up. Sprinting can toughen you up too, but because you're going forward faster and leaning forward more, if you trip you will tend to spill badly.

Jogging is not as fast so you don't spill as badly. That's why people probably do it instead of sprinting, which is actually a valuable ability.

Jogging might also help people learn how to slow down because a lot of people use bad form with it and heel-strike and stuff like that, using the heels is valuable in learning how to slow down when you're going fast.

[wi boo]

Well running from what I understand, (other runners, training mags, books on marathoning) is different from jogging.

Jogging like you said tends to bounce up and down alot more and it doesn't cover as much distance per step.

Running, or rather good running technique has your feet come off the ground a very small amount, almost shuffling, but the goal of running is covering the most amount of distance, in the least amount of time with minimal effort. Running tends to be faster and more efficient than jogging. From what I've noticed, it uses a heel-toe strike pattern.

Sprinting is running as fast as possible, or past your fastest tempo with running in mind and uses a either heel-toe strike pattern or a toe pattern.

Jogging>busy work
Running>has a purpose
Sprinting>covering distance X as fast as possible

[Ashtar]

I don't quite understand what running is besides sub-maximal sprinting.

As for heel-toe, probably whatever works for people, but I figure the more you lean forward the less air resistance, and the more toe (ball+undertoes actually) you'll be using. There's limitations to that though, you'll rarely be totally forward.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Heel strike really isn't good when going fast, as it puts more force into your heel, which has a jarring effect - it's the lazy, crap weak form of running. You may not have read that in training mags etc, because they also want to sell expensive shoes, with lots of heel cushioning.

[wi boo]

I agree running heel>toe is bad when your sprinting or running really fast, but when running long distances, if you stay on your toes for the duration, it expends more energy because your calves are constantly engaged, where as heel>toe allows a sort of micro period of relaxing of the muscles. There is also the toe>heel pattern thats a little awkward at first but is pretty good once you get a handle on it.

[Martial Way]

Your body's muscles are activity specific. An olympic swimmer isn't going to be great at running just because he can swim for hours and not get tired or vise versa. The only thing that would help your tricks, running wise anyway, would be to do interval training. So do sprints and such because thats the closest to the activity of tricking. tricking is not a endurance related exercise in that it is not performed for a long period of time. It requires relatively short bursts of energy and so distance running won't really help.

If you are just trying to get in better shape then, sure running is great for you, any cardio is good for you but it won't be activity specific.

[Tricia...]

Running, meaning you're not walking (and only foot ever touches the ground at once) can cover jogging or sprinting.

Jogging is when you focus more on bouncing up and down and loading the legs, it's a bit like skipping or jumping in that rather than focusing totally on going forward, you focus on the bouncing sensation and stuff.

Sprinting is when you focus on going forward at max speed.

The 2nd is more useful, but jogging may not be utterly useless as training (even though it is for skill development) since it can toughen you up. Sprinting can toughen you up too, but because you're going forward faster and leaning forward more, if you trip you will tend to spill badly.

Jogging is not as fast so you don't spill as badly. That's why people probably do it instead of sprinting, which is actually a valuable ability.

Jogging might also help people learn how to slow down because a lot of people use bad form with it and heel-strike and stuff like that, using the heels is valuable in learning how to slow down when you're going fast.

Heel toe only works for jogging. You're supposed to roll from your heels to your toe. It's less strain on your joints. And jogging is not bouncing up and down... With proper form, your head shouldn't move that much.

As for sprinting, you have to run on the balls of your feet. This will keep pushing you forward. Heel > toe will definitely slow you down.

I'd say jogging is only beneficial for conditioning. But there are more efficient exercises for that if you want it to help with your tricking. Running cross country definitely hindered my sprinting for track. I was doing it to be in shape year round, but it definitely made me slower. I should've stuck to soccer because it kept the fast twitch muscles in shape. There's a whole explanation about the shape of muscles, the way your muscles work, blah blah, because of the exercises you do. But I don't feel like getting into it. Long story short, training long distance will shape your muscles away from being fast twitch efficient. So if you want running to to help tricking, you should probably do sprinting exercises rather than long distance.

[Vincent_Lee]

Cardio is usefull for tricking, running is good for explosiveness, as in dashing 60 - 100 - 400m. It is a good overall exercise.

[Ashtar]

Tricia, you got me thinking about something. Is jogging where you run while keeping your torso upright, and sprinting is where you run while tilting your torso forward

[Tricia...]

I guess.... =.= I don't know how you don't know the difference between sprinting and jogging. Simple concept.

Sprinting (full out running your fastest, all energy exerted):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akv4awmVzJA

Jogging (running at a paced rate to conserve energy to last the whole distance):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNe80BnzV0A