Kicks, Twists, or Flips? Whats your drug?

[WiKiD]

Whats your fav to do, and also which one are you best at?


My best is Kicks. godly BS9s ftw!
I love twisting/inversions

[Javi.]

I love twisting, and this is good because my best tricks are twisting. Wooo, corks.

[Rudy]

i'm a twister

[frankinstine]

flips, hands down.

[EmpRitz]

Best at flips, but my favorite tricks are kicks.

[Shelz]

Kicks Kicks Kicks!!! Though I suck at all.

[Neo Dingsit.]

being awesome is my drug

haha jk

but seriously i like a balance

[Safari]

Safari

[Andy R]

Safari

[Skippy]

Safari

[Keene]

Twister.

[BrandonLenz]

Safari

[Khaos]

safari

[GSimp]

Kicks. All of them, all the time, everywhere.

[Rakamarasu]

Im not sure, not kicks :<

[Maddaveman]

I'm best at flips and kicks, I can't twist to save my life.

That said I like to watch flips the most.

[TrickinNINJA]

KICKS.

[SeanS]

Multi Level Tricks.

[Skilzat85X]

Flips are the most funnnn. Too bad there's so few of them.

[HyperLee]

twist kicks!!!!! like boxes, btwist rounds etc. yeah kicking with any type of move is jist so much more visually appealing!!! ALL do backflips but trickers do flashkicks!!!

[a_l]

I'm best at flips... And i like balanced style!

[tricksterd8]

I'm a all around trickster can/flip/twist/and kick....but I like kicking the most..lol even tho one of my big tricks is a twist :/

[ninjohn22]

Can somebody name what tricks are considered just flips cause all I can really think of is like backflip webster and than slight easy variations from there. It almost seems like flips are the prerequisite for twists in my opinion (besides like dub trip backflip) Just when someone says they are strongest in flips I dont know what to think. Can someone clarify???

[*L-V*]

My favorite tricks right now are probably:
-Cheat720double
-Cheat900
-Swiepeknife

I love kicks!! well I love twist too, but I suck at them :tongue:

[Guru]

flips are my current fix.

[tricksterd8]

sex!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jackemani]

twists

[PerssoN]

Twists

[funaki4]

Kicks are the sex :). Especially if they're nice, controlled, and snappy.

[D.A.]

Can somebody name what tricks are considered just flips cause all I can really think of is like backflip webster and than slight easy variations from there. It almost seems like flips are the prerequisite for twists in my opinion (besides like dub trip backflip) Just when someone says they are strongest in flips I dont know what to think. Can someone clarify???

I'd say tumbling, right? Aerials and sideswipes and raizes all have both kick and flip elements, I'd like to think there was a fourth category for swipes/inverts.
and then a fifth kind called safari

[Rudy]

I'd say tumbling, right? Aerials and sideswipes and raizes all have both kick and flip elements, I'd like to think there was a fourth category for swipes/inverts.
and then a fifth kind called safari

gms is a flip

[basics007]

im a kicker, but im trying to learn more twists and flips. ^-^

[willbo26]

flips kicks are not my thing :(

[D.A.]

gms is a flip

what about raizes and like, sidewinders, and like aerial swipes (like those bboy swipes without hands)?

[David M.]

gms is a flip

grand.. master.. SWIPE

[Rudy]

grand.. master.. SWIPE

haha ok you guys win...it just acts as a flip

[DYoo]

kicks = greater than all.

[Skilzat85X]

grand.. master.. SWIPE

That's a misnomer. It's called Masterswipe because it's similarities to the B-Boy Masterswipe, which was named decades ago. It has nothing to do with a kicking motion, rather, the name of the move has merely transferred over without change, even if it's meaning is no longer applicable.

GMS is a flip, Aerial is a flip, Raiz is a 'flip". None of them involve performing of a foundational kick to a target. It's a sad, sad day when simply pulling a leg up without the intent of executing a basic kick becomes kicking technique. :snooze:

[EmpRitz]

I'd say tumbling, right? Aerials and sideswipes and raizes all have both kick and flip elements, I'd like to think there was a fourth category for swipes/inverts.


I look at it as "kicks" utilize kicks based off of martial arts kicks. Things like flash kicks or aerials lack such a element, yes you kick but not in the manner your would in martial arts. So sideswipes would be kicks in my eyes because of the round kick. Although I do agree with your idea of a forth category for things like Aerials and Raizes, I don't see aerials having anything in common with back or front flips

[ninjohn22]

Still nobody answered my question.. Wouldn't you all consider FLIPS a prerequisite to TWISTS for the most part.

Flip--->Gainer<---prerequisite---> Cork<----Twist
Flip--->Aerial<---prerequisite--->Aerial Twist<----Twist
Flip--->Backflip<---prerequisite--->Triplefull<----Twist

When someone says their STRONGPOINT is at FLIPPING no offense to anyone I love you all but... what comes to my mind is you are a semi-noob tricker without twisting technique yet.
Tell me if Im wrong

[Ryan Murray]

Twisting flips with kicks in them. That is what I like.

[EmpRitz]

Still nobody answered my question.. Wouldn't you all consider FLIPS a prerequisite to TWISTS for the most part.

Flip--->Gainer<---prerequisite---> Cork<----Twist
Flip--->Aerial<---prerequisite--->Aerial Twist<----Twist
Flip--->Backflip<---prerequisite--->Triplefull<----Twist

When someone says their STRONGPOINT is at FLIPPING no offense to anyone I love you all but... what comes to my mind is you are a semi-noob tricker without twisting technique yet.
Tell me if Im wrong

I see your point. You are right about the prerequisite bit, although you can be better at flipping then twisting with out being a noob (it depend what you consider noob tricker statustoo). I, for example, have a decent amount of twisting ability (btwist, backfull, atwist on a good day) but my flips (triple flash, flashout, pikeflash) are far cleaner and more comfortable. But you are overall right that there is only so far you can go with flips without twisting.

[shogunjavier]

Kicks. I strive to be good all around, but my twists and flips are that strong yet.

[Skilzat85X]

I look at it as "kicks" utilize kicks based off of martial arts kicks. Things like flash kicks or aerials lack such a element, yes you kick but not in the manner your would in martial arts. So sideswipes would be kicks in my eyes because of the round kick. Although I do agree with your idea of a forth category for things like Aerials and Raizes, I don't see aerials having anything in common with back or front flips

Flashkicks and Sideswipes use the same kind of kick, and it isn't a round kick.

The whole point of a kick is a leg strike. You kick your legs up in Aerials and Raizes but your legs aren't really striking. When you Flash Kick, Sideswipe, 540, etc your legs are striking, they're kicking at something, not just swinging through the air.

[tricksterd8]

this is me and my drug!!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jITAGP68nE

[Snoski]

I'm all the way kicker, below decent on twists and utterly useless on flips.

[Loneheart]

I excel at flipping and can do most kicks

[k-slash]

I'm a keen practitioner of Safari.

[D.A.]

That's a misnomer. It's called Masterswipe because it's similarities to the B-Boy Masterswipe, which was named decades ago. It has nothing to do with a kicking motion, rather, the name of the move has merely transferred over without change, even if it's meaning is no longer applicable.

GMS is a flip, Aerial is a flip, Raiz is a 'flip". None of them involve performing of a foundational kick to a target. It's a sad, sad day when simply pulling a leg up without the intent of executing a basic kick becomes kicking technique. :snooze: right, but I still think of "flipping" as the aspect of tricking that incorporates tumbling skills- it's like, if you have good basic kicks, a jacknife is going to be easier for you, if you can twist really fast, you'll probably be able to double btwist, even if your btwist is relatively low, but if you can double back, I'm not sure how much that is going to help you with raiz. I still think an effective way of looking at a raiz is as an aerial variation (just look at James Yu- he does aerial and raiz on the same side)

Although I do agree with your idea of a forth category for things like Aerials and Raizes, I don't see aerials having anything in common with back or front flips exacly, even though things like front aerials and gymnastics aerials come from gymnastics, straight up tumbling doesn't help much with learning them. For example, a c/t raiz can be done sort of as an off axis aerial, and the ability to swipe the landing leg toward the ground helps a lot in getting an inverted raiz, but going off vertical axis and swiping your legs (like the way you would kick in a sidekick) aren't taught as part of tumbling.

Still nobody answered my question.. Wouldn't you all consider FLIPS a prerequisite to TWISTS for the most part.

Flip--->Gainer<---prerequisite---> Cork<----Twist
Flip--->Aerial<---prerequisite--->Aerial Twist<----Twist
Flip--->Backflip<---prerequisite--->Triplefull<----Twist

When someone says their STRONGPOINT is at FLIPPING no offense to anyone I love you all but... what comes to my mind is you are a semi-noob tricker without twisting technique yet.
Tell me if Im wrong no you're right, having a good laid out gainer helps a ton with corks, but I could definitely imagine someone who could double back, but had a hard time doing double fulltwist. I think flipping and twisting are different aspects, even though most "twisting" moves have flips in them. do you agree?

Flashkicks and Sideswipes use the same kind of kick, and it isn't a round kick.

The whole point of a kick is a leg strike. You kick your legs up in Aerials and Raizes but your legs aren't really striking. When you Flash Kick, Sideswipe, 540, etc your legs are striking, they're kicking at something, not just swinging through the air.
I agree it's not a strike, but you still have to kick your legs toward the ground to land- like, the kick is what gets you around in an aerial and a raiz, much like in a 540, and as opposed to say, the tuck that gets you around in a double back (although I suppose the kick in a flashkick can be seen as a form of "tucking")
hmm...

[Skilzat85X]

Daawwwg you're not gonna convince me that kicking your leg up in an Aerial counts as a kick haha.

Having a good double back won't mean you're good at fronts, sides, or even gainers. Each skill is dependent on itself and it's individual prerequisites, not on other tricks of it's genre. Even kicking tricks require a lot more than the ability to do basic kicks. You could have the best basic kicks ever, but if you can't get yourself into the air and execute the technique to be able to do the kick in the trick, you're screwed.

That being said, Raizes and Aerials aren't technically flips anyways, but if you have to stick them in one of the "big 3" they are techniques that involve you flipping around without a an actual kick, technically they'd be "inverts" but who the nigg is going to be like "Tricking is Kicks Flips Twists and Inverts" ahaha.

[D.A.]

Daawwwg you're not gonna convince me that kicking your leg up in an Aerial counts as a kick haha.

Having a good double back won't mean you're good at fronts, sides, or even gainers. Each skill is dependent on itself and it's individual prerequisites, not on other tricks of it's genre. Even kicking tricks require a lot more than the ability to do basic kicks. You could have the best basic kicks ever, but if you can't get yourself into the air and execute the technique to be able to do the kick in the trick, you're screwed.

That being said, Raizes and Aerials aren't technically flips anyways, but if you have to stick them in one of the "big 3" they are techniques that involve you flipping around without a an actual kick, technically they'd be "inverts" but who the nigg is going to be like "Tricking is Kicks Flips Twists and Inverts" ahaha.
right yeah, but in the context of the thread, I'd say i'm best at "inverts" since I can't tumble, twist, or kick for utter shit. I definitely was not advocating that the kicks in the aerials were kicks, at least not in the terms that "a kick is a strike to hit a target." but when you're teaching someone to aerial, you tell them to "kick your leg up!" -so a kick in that sense is what I meant.
and yeah we can explain tricking to non-trickers as a blend of kicks, flips, and twists, but when we're going to categorize tricks for ourselves, where the heck do we put a b-kick? is that a kick? I'd say I have the same chance of hitting someone with an aerial as a bkick.
Like I said, I consider when someone says "I'm good at flips" to mean tumbling. Should I not assume this, and instead think that they do capoeira?

[Skilzat85X]

Like I said, I consider when someone says "I'm good at flips" to mean tumbling. Should I not assume this, and instead think that they do capoeira?
You can assume whatever you want obviously it's your perception haha.

I believe this is beside the point I was making so there's nothing for me to say about it.

[D.A.]

I think we agree then, Skilz.

[Skilzat85X]

Of course we do my love! :smile:

[MeatMachine]

I like kicks because I'm too much of a pussy to do flips, and I'm too fat to twist.
There's my excuses!

[Iikkap]

I completely agree with you D.A., aerials don't really feel flip-like at all. Same goes for GMS and raiz, and I don't really know in which "genre" I'd place them.

Still nobody answered my question.. Wouldn't you all consider FLIPS a prerequisite to TWISTS for the most part.

Flip--->Gainer<---prerequisite---> Cork<----Twist
Flip--->Aerial<---prerequisite--->Aerial Twist<----Twist
Flip--->Backflip<---prerequisite--->Triplefull<----Twist

When someone says their STRONGPOINT is at FLIPPING no offense to anyone I love you all but... what comes to my mind is you are a semi-noob tricker without twisting technique yet.
Tell me if Im wrong

Kinda yes. A good flipper might be able to do doublefulls if he's good at flips and ok at twists (I know atleast one person who's like this). While for example I am relatively close to double btwist, but cannot do even do roundoff fulls yet because my flips suck. My flips just aren't good enough to be twisted.

Still, you could kind of say, that twisting belongs to flipping, IMO a double fulltwist is just as much a flipping technique as it is a twisting technique (from roundoff that is, cw-fulls are pretty twisty). Gymnasts do twisting flips, and they are the gods of tumbling. So I dunno... Make it flips/tumbling instead of just flips, and it doesn't sound so noobish/prerequisite-like anymore :)

[petrifilms]

Its about the Kicks with the twists man.

Probability-

If your good at kicks, your hips should be strong, which means your twisting should be at a good stand point also.

To bad it can be the other way around. :sad:

[Skilzat85X]

Having hips strong is only one, basically nominal aspect of twisting. There's no correlation, really.

[Iikkap]

Having hips strong is only one, basically nominal aspect of twisting. There's no correlation, really.

Aye. And even if someone is a fast spinner it doesn't necessarily mean he's got the other needed requisites for twisting tricks. I for one can't control myself when I am inverted, therefore I suck at twists, and no matter how fast I can spin, until I overcome my retardness with inverted twisting, I can't utilize my spinning with those tricks.

[dpitlock]

all around

[TKDtrickster]

i prefer twisting, but im good all around.

[KyleSkelly]

I suppose twisting/flips for me. I enjoy kicks but only as of recently so i still kinda suck at them.