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Of all the moves that are regarded as tricks, how many are performed and taught at Taekwondo lessons? 'Cause I'm considering taking it up, but I've heard that's it's very bland and there's not much variety (other than lots of kicks, haha), though this did come from friends who ended up leaving after a while. It'd also be nice to know how to defend myself, if I ever have to.
Anyone wanna share their experiences with Taekwondo with me :wink:?
Depends on your club and your style of Tkd, but they usually don't teach anything past pop 360 and tornado kick. At RAAARE times they might teach 540s and 540hooks, but that's like 1 club in 1000.
The basic kicks are excellent for tricking though. I've got my basis in ITF Taekwon-do, and I'm considering restarting it after summer, just for the basic kicks training.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHMzHqr7pKw
That's my 2007 sampler, and it's an example of a non-twisting style of tricking, (partially due to my own twisty incompetence, and partly because my left eye is blind, so I've got no periperal vision on my left OR depth vision at all). My style is based around misslegging and reversed-momentum combos, as well as kicks. I find my Tkd training to have helped me achieve this a tonnnn, as I'm really hip-centered.
I like Tkd :D
Depends on your club and your style of Tkd, but they usually don't teach anything past pop 360 and tornado kick. At RAAARE times they might teach 540s and 540hooks, but that's like 1 club in 1000.
The basic kicks are excellent for tricking though. I've got my basis in ITF Taekwon-do, and I'm considering restarting it after summer, just for the basic kicks training.
Oh, damn, ok.
Exactly what I heard from randoms on YouTube, though I wasn't sure to believe them or not, considering the average YouTuber's reputation. Then again, I shouldn't judge knowledge through generalisation! What would I have to learn to go beyond what is taught in Taekwondo? I hate repition lol
And I love your sampler!
Though I really like twisty things in comparison to kicks, or atleast twisty things with kicks.
And thanks for the quick reply~!:smile:
( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=repition
That was close.)
Well, if you hate repetition, you're going to hate tricking, hahaha. You have to drill a ton of shit a ton of times :P
Capoeira is the obvious route for tricking (the non-trad style), as well as Wushu, gymnastics and some breakdancing.
cain2kill
May-12-09, 05:17 AM
jan ur sampler just made me remain watchin it for about half an hour i still cant understand why i m still here sitting, i gotta go practisE! ur an idol XD
Well, if you hate repetition, you're going to hate tricking, hahaha. You have to drill a ton of shit a ton of times :P
Though technically true, at least I can decide what I want and when I want to do something, as opposed to being told to kick a billion times by an instructor :tongue:
Though the power and extension in taekwondo students is just so amazing! and it would probably increase my motivation!
Sort of wish that I had taken it up in year 5 or so. Too bad I was scared by some annoying fat kid that would hug me from the new school I had changed to that year. To this day, I still hold a grudge against for making me look like a retard lol. I yell at him almost everyday, because he's an up himself, know nothing, attention seeking idiot who thinks he's better than me, despite the fact that I litterally beat him every test. And yes, I do feel good about yelling at him :smile:
Anyway...
I won't cross taekwondo off my list of things to do, but it doesn't sound as fun as I thought (unless I get a friend to join, perhaps)
If you want to have fun and possibly learn a little acrobatic stuff along the way, capoeira is the way to go.
Confucius
May-12-09, 06:01 AM
TKD was the best thing I did evAr.
I had a korean instructor and the lessons weren't shit like all clubs I find nowadays. We drilled and drilled kicks tons and then some more instead of half assedly repeating dumbass "self defense" techniques like 10 times then changing to another one we would forget a month later. Drilling a bagajillizillion times is the only way you're going to get excellent kicks. Good times.
Sakanem
May-12-09, 06:05 AM
Why don't you go and see for yourself what tkd training is like rather than speculating what it might be like ;)
also, you said you admire the power and extension tkd students get on their kicks; the only way to achieve that is to kick a billion times, so you might as well go and get proper instruction =)
I did a fair bit of Muay Thai, it is definatley a more 'practical' style and I have hella powerful legs and flexibilty. But it almost did jack shit for my tricking. Like Jan said, he cannot twist, he moves from the hips. That is what I do now. I can put heaps of power into basic kicks but I can't spin to save my life haha.
So from my MA experiance, Muay Thai hasn't helped me trick past anything with more than 360 rotation in it :good:
The basic kicks are excellent for tricking though. I've got my basis in ITF Taekwon-do, and I'm considering restarting it after summer, just for the basic kicks training.
What about your kyokushin plans? I recall you saying you wanted to do that as well.
Augenatic
May-12-09, 09:17 AM
Taekwondo doesn't really teach you tricks, but it gives you a solid foundation for tricking and especially tricking kicks. Also, there's definitely some self-defence in it too, and it's a lot of fun, so go for it man!
What about your kyokushin plans? I recall you saying you wanted to do that as well.
Kyokushin is more expensive, though the club is closer. My hip and shins made me kinda not wanna do full contact sparring though. I'm going to check out both clubs, but I've already got a belt in Tkd, so I'm not sure.
They might let you wear shinpads and you could stick to low kicks to avoid killing your hip (:
Pahhhh, the whole reason I'm considering restarting MA is to get my kicks back to where they used to be.
I'm getting hip surgery anyways :P
Shin pads... hmmmmmm.
Megabuster
May-12-09, 04:01 PM
My place teaches 540s and c720s. I thought that was normal. There's one guy who has 540 triple (c7 triple) as his main demo move now too. >.< My master started us off on aerials too, but only I've gotten them down so far after all these years. A bunch of us picked up butterfly kick also.
funaki4
May-12-09, 05:44 PM
Taekwondo is a good martial art to build a strong kick basis so that you can get snappier, floatier, cleaner kick tricks later on. Plus, moving on to kick tricks after taking Taekwondo for a while is easy.
But I quit Taekwondo after taking tricking so my kick tricks are looking less snappy T_T..
My TKD instructor tricks too so he was the one that introduced me to it and he would teach me 540s, c720s, and 540 Triples :)).
NorseNinja133
May-12-09, 08:24 PM
Tkd is good, but I believe Capoeira is the best martial art to take before Tricking or to help your Tricking, I mean in Capoeira there are: tornado kicks, 540s, backflips, dlegs, btwists, aerials, gainers, corkscrews, raizes, sideswipes, various handspins and headspins, cheat 720's, freeze type moves, tumbling and various other moves that that these moves like for eg: flashkicks, Atwists, etc. Although you won't learn all that you first class, my capoeira school, (and probably others) are very open to teaching you anything you want to learn whenever. Anyways, Capoeira is basically tricking but you add in basic Capoeira kicks and play in a roda to Brazilian music.
EmpRitz
May-12-09, 09:07 PM
Martial arts is the most amazing thing ever, EVER (sorry tricking). Basic kicks will work wonders for your tricking and it will be decent conditioning too. As a added plus you will have some very clever answers to those "but you could never us the in a fight" idiots. Martial arts has been the best thing to ever happen to me. DO IT NOW!!!!
gabrielb
May-12-09, 09:09 PM
pretty sure 540's are in the wtf curriculum.
marco stryder
May-12-09, 09:12 PM
540, c720(540 hook), and 540 triple are from wtf tkd, but also can be itf.
Hmm...
Well, besides taekwondo, there's nothing else in my town :(
Ahhh.. hmmm.
I'll talk to my friend that did it and see if he'll rejoin, but for now, I'll just trick lol
Starting Taekwondo is a good plan. Just get used to grinding your roundhouse kick for 3/5 training days , 1 day for useless self defence , and a day's worth of sparring (which might include one or two excercises utilizing the hook kick or a crescent/axe).
Roundhouse kwon do ftw.
In my opinion, tricking and Taekwon-do definitely compliment each other. There is no doubt that people with experience in Taekwon-do or any other kicking martial art are generally more proficient at kick tricks because they have a deeper understanding of kicks and thus their kicks actually look good rather than a leg swinging around uncontrollably.
However, Carl, you should go and try before you buy because I believe that a large number of TKD clubs are, well, shit. I wouldn't recommend being trained by anyone less than 4th dan black belt (only my opinion). Even then, take a look at the people that have trained under them and see if they are at a standard that you would like to be at. The main thing is that you have fun at Taekwon-do though, but I believe this is unachievable without a proficient teacher and club.
Also, I noticed you said that you were told by friends who left that TKD is bland. Well, I won't disagree, it is pretty bland... if you are a fucking white belt. Its called persistance. I have noticed that TKD was great fun until about green belt and blue stripe when it got a bit repetitive, but then as soon as I hit blue belt, it just started going uphill again and when I hit black belt, it just got exponentially awesome. Actually, I could probably relate TKD with Juji's level of fun graph:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/images/start_0.gif
Just change tricking to TKD.
You also said you want to do it for self defence. I'm gonna agree with the YouTube commenters for once that it isnt that great for self defence. It's adequate, but its more of an art. If you want only self defence, look elsewhere.
Actually, I've gone so off track, I don't even think I've answered the question. Feel free to disagree with any of my opinions.
Pahhhh, the whole reason I'm considering restarting MA is to get my kicks back to where they used to be.
I'm getting hip surgery anyways :P
Shin pads... hmmmmmm.
Do it! Watch some vids of Andy Hug and Glaube Feitosa to get you pumped for kyokushin :P
Sakanem
May-13-09, 03:14 PM
What do you need hip surgery for Jan?
sopittedbrah
May-13-09, 11:34 PM
i teach tkd in california and honestly all you do is kicks
depending on where you learn and who it can be a great workout and it can help with your tricks...
as far as teaching you tricks.. dont think itl help you learn any new ones
Bytm2vbsk
May-15-09, 09:59 AM
i guess wushu teaches you a few good basics if im not mistaken... b-twist, 360 kicks, probably even 360 gyros, tornado kicks, even 720 tornado kicks, backflip i think and other stuff.
tkds saved my ass :D
good self defence knowledge, discipline, fitness, flexibility
TKD RULES
Frederik
May-17-09, 06:47 AM
from my experiences, the closest you get to actual tricks in martial arts is by doing wushu or capoeira, those are the ones coming closest!
Zedex>> lol.. TKD as selfdefense is kinda silly compared to other martial arts systems.
Augenatic
May-17-09, 06:49 AM
from my experiences, the closest you get to actual tricks in martial arts is by doing wushu or capoeira, those are the ones coming closest!
Zedex>> lol.. TKD as selfdefense is kinda silly compared to other martial arts systems.
GET OUT
mitcharr
May-18-09, 12:04 AM
i did taekwondo for 4/5 years, they never taught us anything past tornado kick, they tried to teach us 540's but barely anyone could do it so they stopped.
Megabuster
May-18-09, 05:01 PM
Just wondering, would stuff like scissor kick, double fly side kick, and triple kick count as tricks in any way?
I'm a fairly recent comer to TKD (about six weeks in). At my school, I know blue belts are already learning tornado kicks, and half the instructors trick every chance they get. They're all Koreans on rotation.
It's what's gotten me interested in tricking in the first place, and I expect to learn a lot of good stuff at this school. I've seen 'em teaching green belts how to do 360 vertical flips.
I'm sure it totally depends on the school.
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Madyson
Jul-26-09, 03:55 PM
I'm a fairly recent comer to TKD (about six weeks in). At my school, I know blue belts are already learning tornado kicks, and half the instructors trick every chance they get. They're all Koreans on rotation.
It's what's gotten me interested in tricking in the first place, and I expect to learn a lot of good stuff at this school. I've seen 'em teaching green belts how to do 360 vertical flips.
I'm sure it totally depends on the school.
This is a super rarity. Awesome, but very rare. You probably won't be taught anything past tornado or flying hook kick, but the quality of your kicks will be enormously better. A compromise would be finding an American Karate school. Most of them are McDojos, but there are some good ones out there and they all usually teach tricks to some degree. I've been doing Taekwondo for 16 years and I love it, but if you're taking it just to learn tricking you'll probably get frustrated and leave with a bad impression of Taekwondo.
Iikkap
Jul-27-09, 03:12 AM
the real acrobatic stuff in capoeira comes sooo much later on that picking capoeira for tricks isn't that effective. Also, you can do the actual "tricking training" on your tricking sessions anyway, so why pick a martial art that teaches you the same stuff? IMHO tkd is the best idea because you'll get to drill fuckloads of basic kicks, which is something you probably wouldn't do that much otherwise.
you'll get to do basic kicks in capoeira too, but they do them sooooo differently from how I want my kicks to look. straight legged the whole time, wide circular motion and not snappy :< but it of course comes down to preference whether you want capoeira-like or tkd-like kicks :>
EddieWFR
Jul-27-09, 09:08 AM
If anything you want to take up "extreme" Kick boxing or Free style Kick boxing lol You have to go through like 10 belts to learn any nice kicks in Tae Kwon do :)
cepopeye
Jul-27-09, 09:22 AM
( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=repition
That was close.)
Well, if you hate repetition, you're going to hate tricking, hahaha. You have to drill a ton of shit a ton of times :P
Capoeira is the obvious route for tricking (the non-trad style), as well as Wushu, gymnastics and some breakdancing.
Tricking is a much more direct route to tricking tahn any of these lol
I'm in TKD because when I got some free teaser lessons from the local studio I really got into it. I didn't realize all the cool stuff they were preparing me to do later at first, but I'm just really into it.
I seem to be among the youngest of the older crowd there, and I figure if the people in their 40s on up can learn the zany stuff, I should be able to. I never realized until talking with these other guys that it's a little unusual for me not to have old injuries to give me trouble.
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