Tricking evolves, so does the tricks...

[Shukumine]

Today I looked at the Club540's tricktionary, and saw the "class G". Becuase I was bored this evening, that gave me the idea to study the proggressive route of the classes in Sesshoumaru's Tricking Bible (http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:6VPYF8dhCYEJ:www.loopkicks-dvd.com/TheTrickingBible.pdf+Tricking+Bible&hl=fi&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=fi) and create a more "realistic" class G...



CLASS G SKILLS/TRICKS

Name_________________________Abbr.__________Prereq uisite(s)

Pop Hyper 1260________________PH12____________"high & fast" Pop 1260
Pop 720 Singleleg Twist__________P7SLT_________“high & fast” Pop 720 Singleleg &
___________________________________________ Singleleg Twist
Pop 720 Doubleleg Twist_________P7DLT_________“high & fast” Pop 720 Doubleleg &
___________________________________________Doublel eg Twist
California Roll_________________ CR____________"good" Cheat 720 Hyperhook
Gyroknife_____________________GK____________"high & fast" 540 Gyro (1/1) &
___________________________________________ Cheat 1080
Cheat 1260___________________C12____________"good" Cheat 1080
Pop 360 Frontflip_______________P3FF___________"high & fast" Pop 360 & Frontflip
Boxcutter Double______________BCD___________"high & fast" Shuriken Corkscrew &
___________________________________________ Boxcutter
Corkscrew Doubleleg Twist______CORKDLT_________"high & floaty" Corkscrew Doubleleg
Hyper Double Gainer Full________HDGF__________Double Gainer Full
Pop 720 Double Doubleleg_______P7DDL________"high & fast" Pop 720 Doubleleg &
___________________________________________ Pop 720 Double
Illusion Hyperknife_____________IHK___________"high & fast" Hyperknife
720 Hyperswipe_______________7HS_____________"good" Double Aerial Twist
Twist Doubleleg Twist___________TDLT_________"high & floaty" Twist Doubleleg


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Most of the tricks listed in here has been landed, and this "class G" very much follows the proggressive route of the tricking bible. I just thought to share this idea with you guys, it may give you some new ideas. After all, it gave me something to do at this boring evening haha! :smile:

As you can see, trickers are pushing the boundaries with tricks and always creating something new. It's only a matter of time, when we are gonna see Triple Corkscrew, Triple Btwist and Triple Atwist. A human body is limitless!

[Skilzat85X]

The problem with these tricks is the degradation of quality associated with them.

That is to say, I'm sure someone will do a Cheat 1260 with a hip high kick and everyone will be like "oh gaaawd Cheat 1260!" Or 720 Double Doubleleg (why not focus on landing an actual double double leg first?) with slightly piked, bent legs and everyone will be like "omg 720 double double leg." Know what I mean?

[Ryan Murray]

I thought everybody already got over the class rating system.

[Shukumine]

Or 720 Double Doubleleg (why not focus on landing an actual double double leg first?) with slightly piked, bent legs and everyone will be like "omg 720 double double leg." Know what I mean?

When I said Pop 720 Double Doubleleg, I meant that you do a Pop 720 Double, where you throw the first kick as a crescent kick, and the second kick as a doubleleg. Sessh has landed this.

And yes, you're right! It will be VERY difficult to pull these off even in "decent" quality! I have never seen a good Gyroknife, for example...

[cain2kill]

i mean...i didnt konw about the site but actually sessh you have just made my life eaier! ur my hero!!!

[Vaughnya]

Tricking evolves, so do the tricks

ive never seen a vid of a cali roll but i have seen a vid of a kack roll.

[Snoski]

ive never seen a vid of a cali roll but i have seen a vid of a kack roll.

ive never seen a vid of a kack roll but i have seen a vid of a cali roll.

[D.A.]

The last two post win respectively.

also, you should put suicide scissorswipe in there for teh luls.
also, I disagree with most of the names for the tricks there.
also, class system is real sillysnake.
also, what's a hyperknife? there are like 5 tricks that could be.
also, FUCK YOUR ABBREVIATIONS WRITE OUT THE DAMN TRICK! HOW THE HELL ARE NEWCOMERS GOING TO KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY [CK]>[PF]>[BS7DL]>[GHET]>[BT7RTD]s/t[TRYFRDLTSSRTYS]
DAMNIT.

[JiayoJames]

also, FUCK YOUR ABBREVIATIONS WRITE OUT THE DAMN TRICK! HOW THE HELL ARE NEWCOMERS GOING TO KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY [CK]>[PF]>[BS7DL]>[GHET]>[BT7RTD]s/t[TRYFRDLTSSRTYS]
DAMNIT.

HAHAHAHA I LOVE YOU!

[jan]

Devon <3<3<3<3


Also, CLASSIFICATIONS FTW YO! I LUVZZ MAH CLASS GEE.etc

[Iikkap]

The last two post win respectively.

also, you should put suicide scissorswipe in there for teh luls.
also, I disagree with most of the names for the tricks there.
also, class system is real sillysnake.
also, what's a hyperknife? there are like 5 tricks that could be.
also, FUCK YOUR ABBREVIATIONS WRITE OUT THE DAMN TRICK! HOW THE HELL ARE NEWCOMERS GOING TO KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY [CK]>[PF]>[BS7DL]>[GHET]>[BT7RTD]s/t[TRYFRDLTSSRTYS]
DAMNIT.

This is all true. Except the suicide scissorswipe part, because nothing should be put anywhere and this topic should die asap.

Also Snoski, win!

[Safari]

What's a cali roll?

It still annoys the hell outta me that you're copy-cat'ing, Maru. Oh well..

[Bozzy]

What's a cali roll?

It still annoys the hell outta me that you're copy-cat'ing, Maru. Oh well..

He's not even doing it well either, which is REALLY annoying.

Sessh is great, very informative, humble and often correct about everything.

You...aren't

[Khaos]

what's a hyperknife? there are like 5 tricks that could be.

hyperknife is a btwist swipe hook so like when middle of btwist release a swipe hyper it then hook it =] so shuriken hyperknife should be a hyper hook with 3 kicks i think

i.e hyper shuriken twist round hook

[David M.]

hyperknife is a btwist swipe hook so like when middle of btwist release a swipe hyper it then hook it =] so shuriken hyperknife should be a hyper hook with 3 kicks i think

i.e hyper shuriken twist round hook

plus comme btwist swipeknife...

also hyperknife could apply to anything, doesn't only pertain to "btwist". i also feel like you dont need a swipe. just the hypering of an already hyper hooked move.

[Skippy]

Fuckoff with this copying Sesshoumaru bullshit. Its just a sesh thing, I'd respect you so much more if you weren't so annoying with this typing crap.

Asides, class G ftw, but class systems still ftl. It's cool though somehow.

Loves.

[David M.]

he's simply doing it because he wants attention and/or wants to come across as intelligent.

[alpha7158]

Classing tricks is more usefull to understand their progression as apposed to identifying their difficulty. It is a very usefull system, especially when explaining tricking people who are new to all the jargon.

[Iikkap]

Classing tricks is more usefull to understand their progression as apposed to identifying their difficulty. It is a very usefull system, especially when explaining tricking people who are new to all the jargon.

I thought it was common sense that a btwist is easier than a double btwist

Also you could kinda figure out that a double btwist progresses from a btwist

I'd say that most people who are past the complete beginner level can actually figure out how tricks progress without some bible.

[Khaos]

without a doubt when i first started tricking i always follewed the classification thing, but yeah hyperknife the move is a btwist swipeknife i think

the terminology itself could be attached to anything true

[alpha7158]

I thought it was common sense that a btwist is easier than a double btwist

Also you could kinda figure out that a double btwist progresses from a btwist

I'd say that most people who are past the complete beginner level can actually figure out how tricks progress without some bible.
Come on, that is the most obvious example ever.

How about what is the difference between:
A hyper swipe and a hyper hook
cheat 720 and a cheat 900
cork and boxcutter
swingthrough feilong and shaolin cross
btwist and siruken twist
540 and jacknife

The names don't always give a hint to the progression of the move. These examples are a lot less obvious, the trick categorisation makes it much easier to understand the progression of moves from their prerequisites. It's goal isn't to be a definitive guide to difficulty.

[Snoski]

Wasting time on classification is really quite silly.
Wasting time on people wasting time on classification is outright idiotic.

[alpha7158]

Wasting time telling people that 'Wasting time on people wasting time on classification is outright idiotic' is outright idiotic.

[Iikkap]

Come on, that is the most obvious example ever.

How about what is the difference between:
A hyper swipe and a hyper hook
cheat 720 and a cheat 900
cork and boxcutter
swingthrough feilong and shaolin cross
btwist and siruken twist
540 and jacknife

The names don't always give a hint to the progression of the move. These examples are a lot less obvious, the trick categorisation makes it much easier to understand the progression of moves from their prerequisites. It's goal isn't to be a definitive guide to difficulty.

Names don't always give a hint to the progression, no. But if you read "jacknife" from some class X trick chart it won't tell you what kind of a move it is, you'll still need to find a video of it. And IMHO by the time you're ready to train jacknives your perceptive skills should be on the level where, from a video, you'll realize "ah, it's a 540 with a hook afterwards!"

Basically what I'm trying to say is that by the time you'd be moving on to the "next tier of progression" you'll be already experienced enough to realize where to go without someone giving you a chart on it.

"What harm is there for having the chart though?"

This topic for example. The OP can barely do a clean 540, do we need him giving us theories on "CLASS G TRICKS" with prerequisites obvious as hell?

Wasting time telling people that 'Wasting time on people wasting time on classification is outright idiotic' is outright idiotic.

Haha, nice one <3

[Snoski]

Wasting time telling people that 'Wasting time on people wasting time on classification is outright idiotic' is outright idiotic.

Wasting time on people 'Wasting time on people "Wasting time on people wasting time on classification is... okay wait I'll just leave it.

[Vaughnya]

ive never seen a vid of a kack roll but i have seen a vid of a cali roll.

link me to a vid of a cali roll that has been done before dan pitlock's kack roll

[sesshoumaru]

Names don't always give a hint to the progression, no. But if you read "jacknife" from some class X trick chart it won't tell you what kind of a move it is, you'll still need to find a video of it. And IMHO by the time you're ready to train jacknives your perceptive skills should be on the level where, from a video, you'll realize "ah, it's a 540 with a hook afterwards!"

Basically what I'm trying to say is that by the time you'd be moving on to the "next tier of progression" you'll be already experienced enough to realize where to go without someone giving you a chart on it.

"What harm is there for having the chart though?"

This topic for example. The OP can barely do a clean 540, do we need him giving us theories on "CLASS G TRICKS" with prerequisites obvious as hell?



Haha, nice one <3


Common sense is actually not all that common...if you can look at two different tricks [like Paraknife & Corkswipe], and can tell which one is later down the line in terms of "progression", then you have the ability to discern and these classifications and whatnot are not for you. But everyone doesn't have the that capability, so even though it isn't necessary; the classifications become a tool for establishing a disposition towards the skills, so that they may be judged.

PK = PF + C7 [prerequisites - 540, C7, PF, JK]
CORKS = CORK + 540 [prerequisites - 540, CORK, HCORK]

Going by this, you can see that they're both tricks that are essentially composed of two other tricks, and are honestly of similar difficulty. However, in terms of which can be learned the quickest [which has the least amount of prerequisites], the CORKS is progressively "easier".

Now if you already knew this, and know this for just about every trick, then I'd say that you don't need to worry about "classifications"; but if you didn't, then I encourage you to at least check it out.

Also, the classifications are also there to provide a standard way [or pattern] of how we name the tricks. So that if you know the names of the "base tricks" [tricks that are not a variation - Btwist, Doubleleg, C7, etc.], then you have a better chance of guessing what a "Btwist Doubleleg Hook" is, even though you haven't seen it before. In opposition of naming the trick "Awesome Buster", and we have absolutely no idea what that could be.

It's not about trying to place rules on everything as much as it is about consistency.

That aside, I originally didn't plan to go pass Class F [a.k.a. Class "Fuck this is hard"], because as the practitioners become more skilled, and more difficult moves are created and landed; the relative difficulty of the existing tricks goes down [to compensate]. This is because the highest any person can get for a single trick or a combination is a "10" [100%], which is the yield for Class F...so if you establish a Class E, then you're suggesting that more than 100% can be achieved, and that is a mathematical impossibility.

[Cory]

I thought everybody already got over the class rating system.

This




~~~Rudy on Cory's account

[D.A.]

PK = PF + C7 [prerequisites - 540, C7, PF, JK]
CORKS = CORK + 540 [prerequisites - 540, CORK, HCORK]




Seriously though, figuring out what "hc9" meant when I was first starting out was frickin' hard! I know we occasionally abbreviate cheat kicks with simply the letter 'C' then the rotation, or the first 1-2 digits of the rotation, but I think this stuff is going to confuse people (especially newcomers) more than the alleged "convenience" saves time. When I read "CORKS" I think CORKS! as in several, or many, corkscrews! How many corks? I ask in my head.
My concern isn't for myself, as I can obviously figure out what you mean, but for newbies, who have it rough as it is learning all this terminology (which I think helps greatly, but still...)

[The13thAce]

to be honest i think a class system could be a good tool for making people aware of foundational progression... but i hate how this forum has turned it into a dick wagging contest.


FOK!

[Shaoltang]

hdfg s/t 4hnaclt m/l gj41337hs hollowtip muthafucka hook badass snitch-eater s/t 7hs

Really, what the hell

[Iikkap]

Common sense is actually not all that common...if you can look at two different tricks [like Paraknife & Corkswipe], and can tell which one is later down the line in terms of "progression", then you have the ability to discern and these classifications and whatnot are not for you. But everyone doesn't have the that capability, so even though it isn't necessary; the classifications become a tool for establishing a disposition towards the skills, so that they may be judged.

PK = PF + C7 [prerequisites - 540, C7, PF, JK]
CORKS = CORK + 540 [prerequisites - 540, CORK, HCORK]

Going by this, you can see that they're both tricks that are essentially composed of two other tricks, and are honestly of similar difficulty. However, in terms of which can be learned the quickest [which has the least amount of prerequisites], the CORKS is progressively "easier".



I guess, but my point is that you don't need to know whether corkswipe is harder than paraknife. You could have the cleanest parafuso and deadly jacknives, but never got corks (let's say, for example, due to lack of interest in training them), then you'd be ready for a paraknife even though a plain hypercork would be easier. People advance at different rates and through different "routes", sure it might give a general idea what is considered harder than something else, but it's by no means absolute.

It's not that I have anything that strong vs these classifications, it's just that I find them and the little "experience bars" in people's signatures a bit silly :smile:


Also, the classifications are also there to provide a standard way [or pattern] of how we name the tricks. So that if you know the names of the "base tricks" [tricks that are not a variation - Btwist, Doubleleg, C7, etc.], then you have a better chance of guessing what a "Btwist Doubleleg Hook" is, even though you haven't seen it before. In opposition of naming the trick "Awesome Buster", and we have absolutely no idea what that could be.

It's not about trying to place rules on everything as much as it is about consistency.



Mmm well yeah, I guess it works as good training material on learning the trick names. On a lesser note, land something new and name it Awesome Buster, please, haha:smile:

[Lukas]

There now needs to be something completely outrageous landed, called the "Awesome Buster"

[jan]

Rather "Awesome Buster" than c7ts/tDGctABCp[1080]h1990greenhouse.

[Snoski]

backside rudyboysnapper manouver
stepover swingthru gorgonzolatwist
carrythru intro to creeping death

[simon]

hahaha matt put it well.

dick waggin.

[Scott]

ahaahahahha carrythru intro to creeping death
awesome.

[Hez]

why not just call it the dan pitlock roll if people want his name on it so badly haha. Jeez.

i just swanged thru into creeping death drums

*dun dun dun dun dun dun DUUUUNN DUUUUNNN*

[Snoski]

ahaahahahha carrythru intro to creeping death
awesome.

We should really create a move and name it this.

[Safari]

How fun would it be if we didn't have terminology at all, we just did stuff with out guidelines instead of thinking of what it can be named or if it's "right" to do. I would love that.

[Ryan Murray]

How fun would it be if we didn't have terminology at all, we just did stuff with out guidelines instead of thinking of what it can be named or if it's "right" to do. I would love that.

Something that's really neat about the tricking community is that we have this shared lexicon. I've been to London and Australia and all over the USA and there are people that I've never met before that know all the same terms that I do and within minutes we're talking like we've known each other for years. This makes communication very easy for both parties because we know and share these names and their associated movements. That to me is a very cool thing.

[Scott]

Someone invent the intro to creeping death ahahah

and yes if you people are so bitter and jealous about it being called a cali roll before dan landed it on tape, then just call it a potlick roll. yes, potlick. if anyone complains slash gives a shit, who cares?

[glide2]

A human body is limitless!

Fuck no you're gay!

[Iikkap]

Something that's really neat about the tricking community is that we have this shared lexicon. I've been to London and Australia and all over the USA and there are people that I've never met before that know all the same terms that I do and within minutes we're talking like we've known each other for years. This makes communication very easy for both parties because we know and share these names and their associated movements. That to me is a very cool thing.

I'm definitely on your side in this one. A commonly used terminology makes things a LOT easier.