what is YOUR definition of success in Tricking

[petebull]

i researched this to see if this is an old topic and found nothing, so i hope this is a new discussion

i know my goals and vision has changed since i started tricking in 2003. ill post my thoughts in a bit

[Nathan.P.]

I guess training as hard as you can to reach some sort of comfort in your abilities/skill....and reaching it haha

[David M.]

I guess training as hard as you can to reach some sort of comfort in your abilities/skill....and reaching it haha

it's just too bad that when you reach that point, you're never satisifed and still crave for more.

[Nathan.P.]

it's just too bad that when you reach that point, you're never satisifed and still crave for more.

Thats true....or just stop haha....ben brown.

[David M.]

thats why tricking will continue to evolve, cuz there is no end!


that being said, this is my opinion on success towards tricking:

basically it comes in small doses. landing a new move, new combo, new something then perfecting it. etc.

[dylanross10]

having fun and constanly progressing (slumps not with standing)

[petebull]

nathanpizzle: yo
petebuil: yoo
nathanpizzle: whats your definition of success? haha
petebuil: back in the day
petebuil: i wanted to be a better forms/breaking competitor and inspire my students.
petebuil: now i am not sure what my ideal outcome is, but i guess at the heart ideally i would like to think that martial arts tricking should inspire others towards personal growth, and create connection.
nathanpizzle: so less about the actual tricks
petebuil: thats cool to talk about
petebuil: like
petebuil: become a better martial artist
petebuil: but my way of looking at things is more global
nathanpizzle: yeah
nathanpizzle: i think tricking would help a whole lot with martial arts
nathanpizzle: becoming way more confident with your body movements
petebuil: now ask why is that important?
petebuil: and i think it is
nathanpizzle: well im not a martial artist haha
petebuil: haha
petebuil: its just things seem to lack meaning if its not making things better for others
nathanpizzle: yeah for sure
nathanpizzle: i think thats why ive lost so much motivation with tricks lately

[jan]

Constantly trying your best and enjoying every second of it.

[petebull]

Constantly trying your best and enjoying every second of it.

i think i overlooked this, this is where its at

i think the reason i asked this was also to understand why some of us want to make institutions, definitions, hold events, or "spread" tricking...hmmm

[Stinger55555]

Getting a new move. Then my definition changes to getting that move smooth. Then it changes to getting it into a combo. Then it changes to forcing myself to take it easy and not trick every single day...repeat.

[Cicero]

http://www.bigoven.com/uploads/swisscheese.jpg

[D.A.]

James Yu!
You can tell his tricks from a hundred miles away, even without binoculars :good:
I think James Yu is succeeding in tricking :pineapple::icecream:

[TKDtrickster]

james yu wins tricking.

[Hite]

Getting flown out to another country for free.

EDIT: To trick of course.

[ShahrozS]

Thats true....or just stop haha....ben brown.

Did he really quit?

I remember him posting back in 2008..
:shocked: WOW! Thanks you guys!! You are too kind. I am utterly flattered right now and I sincerely thank you for your words. You guys have made my week! :smile:

I apologize for being MIA all the time. I have been training very hard ever since I moved back from California. I have kind of secluded myself so that I can focus on my training with minimal distractions. I am very set on teaching in the next few years but I do not feel that I am ready yet. I am training to ensure that when I do teach, I am competent.

Every once in a while I will talk to some friends like Steve Miller, Mike Serrano, and Luu but I don't socialize as much as I would like to. So having said that, it is so nice to come here every once and a while and talk with you guys. My only complaint is that I would really like to meet you guys and have not yet had the pleasure!! :sad:

The rock did finally come out! I had a small hole in my heal for a long time but now it looks normal again.

Anyway, you guys have definitely put a big smile on my face. I can't thank you enough.

I hope all of you are doing well!

Ben


Hope he makes another sampler..
that would make my YEAR :tongue:



success in tricking IMO is being satisfied with your tricks and being consistant with all of them...kinda like ben brown lol

[Nathan.P.]

Man a new Ben Brown sampler would be sooo sick.

[TiVo]

doublecork

[carney]

Be the best i can!

And just have fun, even on my bad days!

[frankinstine]

Training, progressing, being able to things most people can/could never do, and having a blast.

[EmpRitz]

Constant
And
Never ending
Improvement

[Butteroll]

my goal is to inspire others to trick and better themselves. Also to spead teh love <3<3<3

[Iikkap]

my goal is to inspire others to trick and better themselves. Also to spead teh love <3<3<3

This, yes. Or well, I wouldn't really say it's my goal. My goal is improving and having fun, but if I manage to inspire someone else I feel like I've "succeeded in tricking".

[breykdown]

I do it for the bitches

but I haven't got any with tricking so far, I think I need to switch up my game plan

[Birch]

I do it for the bitches

but I haven't got any with tricking so far, I think I need to switch up my game plan
OMGOMGOMG the hotness of bitches that you attract are directly proportional to the awesomness of tricks.
This is why I dislike tricking in publice, because i am not good haha. Too many dogs...

[Javi.]

At the moment, my definition of success in tricking is landing a b-twist s/t gflash, and getting my corks consistent on grass.

After I do these, it will probably move up to a b-twist s/t cork and cork s/t, haha.

[daviddalo]

when i can feel the power of the kick through my whole body, and the massive amount of energy that is released within the kick

that makes me feel like i have success haha

[MeatMachine]

Making a sampler that makes people go "whoaaahh, nice tricks!" :D

[sesshoumaru]

General

I think that the type of success I have is largely dependent on [or related to] the type of goals I have set for myself. Nothing was ever given to me...everything I have accomplished in my MAT career has come from me developing the opportunity that was at hand, and I believe that to be my "modus operandi" [mode of operation].

It all starts off with a goal [a desire, objective, or intention], and then we trigger an action for achieving it. That action , will hopefully bring us to a position where several opportunities befall us, and out of those opportunities...the chance to achieve the desired results.

I say "chance" because the aftermath of every opportunity isn't guaranteed to a positive one. However, [like I mentioned before] every opportunity can be developed...so that even in failure, some minuscule amount of success can be achieved.

Personal

How many of you are familiar with "Move the Crowd" [a song by Eric B. & Rakim]? If you can remember, there was a part in there that went like this:

[I]How could I move the crowd
First of all, ain't no mistakes allowed
Here's the instruction, put it together
It's simple ain't it...but quite clever

Now Ghostface Killah went on to use these same lyrics in his song "Ghost Deini", but that's besides the point...the point is, these lyrics pretty much sum up my belief of how a professional tricker should function: 1) there shouldn't be any mistakes, 2) there should be an established system of movement, and 3) the system of movement should be seamless, so that it doesn't appear that there is a system of movement at all.

The thing is, it is impossible to never make a mistake...so what it becomes is this - learning how to turn your shortcomings into strengths. To do this successfully, it takes an obscene amount of mistakes to be made, and an understanding of the best thing to do when these mistakes arise. After you develop your "core tricks" [tricks you use the most, and perform without error], it just takes having a way to get from any position [should you fall or stumble] into a core trick...and making the transition between the two, smooth enough for it to appear natural.

So for me, success takes failure.

"If the most valuable lesson to be learned was found in my greatest shame, I would have no qualms in my inadequacy. We must learn to brave the unknown, even if it incites ridicule and reproach...for the lesson learned may be the missing ingredient towards the accomplishment of your ultimate goal."

- Sesshoumaru | King of Demons

Intimate

In MAT, my success shall be determined by my ability to influence and set a positive example for other people to aspire to. To transmogrify the lessons learned through MAT and parallel them to situations that occur in life...so that we can all cope with our trials and tribulations by just "tricking it out".

If we can all learn to turn our weaknesses into strengths then there could be no limit to what we can achieve in life. A lot of people advocate that you cannot change your social standing [that the weak get weaker, and the poor get poorer], but I disagree with that. The importance of what we have can exceed the value, because we can become more than what we are...

[Hez]

I've never really tricked with any intention of "success." It's a casual, fun hobby for me. Trying to incorporate success would just confuse me as to why I actually trick. Bastardise it if you will.

Sure it's nice getting the thrill of learning a new trick and progressing and whatnot but the term success has just never really been in my mind.

D.A speaks the mofoing truth as usual. James Yu is what all trickers should aspire to be ;D

[Cory]

My goal is to push my body and mind past its own boundaries. I want to do things that people today would say are impossible. I want to help shape this sport and introduce new techniques and/or combo ideas for tricksters that come after me.

[Tatsumaru]

Being proud and happy about my tricking achievements by creating a sampler I worked hard on (obviously not talking about how long it takes to edit). It's always my biggest drive.

[petebull]

Constant
And
Never ending
Improvement

copyright tony robbins

I do it for the bitches

but I haven't got any with tricking so far, I think I need to switch up my game plan

u an me both

when i can feel the power of the kick through my whole body, and the massive amount of energy that is released within the kick

that makes me feel like i have success haha

fuck yeh


General

I think that the type of success I have is largely dependent on [or related to] the type of goals I have set for myself. Nothing was ever given to me...everything I have accomplished in my MAT career has come from me developing the opportunity that was at hand, and I believe that to be my "modus operandi" [mode of operation].

It all starts off with a goal [a desire, objective, or intention], and then we trigger an action for achieving it. That action , will hopefully bring us to a position where several opportunities befall us, and out of those opportunities...the chance to achieve the desired results.

I say "chance" because the aftermath of every opportunity isn't guaranteed to a positive one. However, [like I mentioned before] every opportunity can be developed...so that even in failure, some minuscule amount of success can be achieved.

Personal

How many of you are familiar with "Move the Crowd" [a song by Eric B. & Rakim]? If you can remember, there was a part in there that went like this:

[I]How could I move the crowd
First of all, ain't no mistakes allowed
Here's the instruction, put it together
It's simple ain't it...but quite clever

Now Ghostface Killah went on to use these same lyrics in his song "Ghost Deini", but that's besides the point...the point is, these lyrics pretty much sum up my belief of how a professional tricker should function: 1) there shouldn't be any mistakes, 2) there should be an established system of movement, and 3) the system of movement should be seamless, so that it doesn't appear that there is a system of movement at all.

The thing is, it is impossible to never make a mistake...so what it becomes is this - learning how to turn your shortcomings into strengths. To do this successfully, it takes an obscene amount of mistakes to be made, and an understanding of the best thing to do when these mistakes arise. After you develop your "core tricks" [tricks you use the most, and perform without error], it just takes having a way to get from any position [should you fall or stumble] into a core trick...and making the transition between the two, smooth enough for it to appear natural.

So for me, success takes failure.

"If the most valuable lesson to be learned was found in my greatest shame, I would have no qualms in my inadequacy. We must learn to brave the unknown, even if it incites ridicule and reproach...for the lesson learned may be the missing ingredient towards the accomplishment of your ultimate goal."

- Sesshoumaru | King of Demons

Intimate

In MAT, my success shall be determined by my ability to influence and set a positive example for other people to aspire to. To transmogrify the lessons learned through MAT and parallel them to situations that occur in life...so that we can all cope with our trials and tribulations by just "tricking it out".

If we can all learn to turn our weaknesses into strengths then there could be no limit to what we can achieve in life. A lot of people advocate that you cannot change your social standing [that the weak get weaker, and the poor get poorer], but I disagree with that. The importance of what we have can exceed the value, because we can become more than what we are...



sweet

My goal is to push my body and mind past its own boundaries. I want to do things that people today would say are impossible. I want to help shape this sport and introduce new techniques and/or combo ideas for tricksters that come after me.

nice dude

[Safari]

Acknoweledge yourself and what you do, create your own "brench on the tree", be the best at it and inspire people to create their own brench.

[MeatMachine]

After you develop your "core tricks" [tricks you use the most, and perform without error], it just takes having a way to get from any position [should you fall or stumble] into a core trick...and making the transition between the two, smooth enough for it to appear natural.


To me this sounds more like disguising your shortcomings (a poorly landed trick) with a strength (the ability to do certain other tricks from any position). This is a strength in itself, but it isnt turning a weakness into a strength.

Wouldn't truly turning a shortcoming into a strength involve simply learning from your mistakes? If you can defer a strength (i.e. the ability to self-analyse and learn) from a weakness (failing to achieve something) then you turn this failure into something that AIDS you, therefore making it a strength in a certain sense.

In this context, I think success is equateable to simply being aware of, and correcting your past mistakes. I'm sure you knew all this already sessh, but I dont think you put it across very articulately in that post.

I thought the first and last sections of your post made sense, but the middle... Seemed a little foggy to me; perhaps you could clarify.

[Phil D]

getting good enough to trick whilst drunk so you can use them as a tool to get into girls panties

[sesshoumaru]

To me this sounds more like disguising your shortcomings (a poorly landed trick) with a strength (the ability to do certain other tricks from any position). This is a strength in itself, but it isnt turning a weakness into a strength.

Wouldn't truly turning a shortcoming into a strength involve simply learning from your mistakes? If you can defer a strength (i.e. the ability to self-analyse and learn) from a weakness (failing to achieve something) then you turn this failure into something that AIDS you, therefore making it a strength in a certain sense.

In this context, I think success is equateable to simply being aware of, and correcting your past mistakes. I'm sure you knew all this already sessh, but I dont think you put it across very articulately in that post.

I thought the first and last sections of your post made sense, but the middle... Seemed a little foggy to me; perhaps you could clarify.

It went over your head...and I will not clarify.

- EDIT -

That just makes me sound like a dick...gimme a sec :tongue:

My style isn't necessarily rooted in trying to "cover up" the mistakes I make [due to incompetence]; but rather in having the ability to transform what would normally tarnish the majority of combos, into something that ends up making the resulting combo better than the initial combo would have been...should I blunder.

Then taking that effect and learning how to create it purposely, so that my style is unpredictable and fresh.

That my friend, is a strength.

Cause everything I do is planned out before I do it...I rarely freestyle my combinations. Therefore, most of the time when it appears as if I'm not fully landing my tricks, and falling into another...it's because I'm doing it on purpose.

[MeatMachine]

It went over your head...and I will not clarify.

Helpful :ouch:

[MeatMachine]

That just makes me sound like a dick...gimme a sec :tongue:

My style isn't necessarily rooted in trying to "cover up" the mistakes I make [due to incompetence]; but rather in having the ability to transform what would normally tarnish the majority of combos, into something that ends up making the resulting combo better than the initial combo would have been...should I blunder.

Then taking that effect and learning how to create it purposely, so that my style is unpredictable and fresh.

That my friend, is a strength.

Cause everything I do is planned out before I do it...I rarely freestyle my combinations. Therefore, most of the time when it appears as if I'm not fully landing my tricks, and falling into another...it's because I'm doing it on purpose.

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Hahahah, I'm glad you clarified that. I am aware of your ability to this, and as I said it is an awesome strength and something that lends itself very well to the other virtues of your style. I just didnt think it fell precisely into the category of turning a weakness into a strength- it seems to me to be a plain, all-out strength!

Though rather if you were talking about applying this to a system of learning and seamlessly correcting yourself when a mistake/"mistake" is made, then I believe I understand what you're getting at.

If I'm still way out then maybe someone will have to explain what simply HAS to be a very simple concept without a giant wall of text, hahah :P

[jan]

Here I go again on my own. Going down the only road I've ever known. Like a drifter I was born to walk alone.

And I've made up my mind. I'm not wasting no more time.

And here I go again...

[karatekid]

'Cos I know what it means, To walk along the lonely street of dreams..

[foolmastah]

For me success in tricking means actually doing tricks. Everything else fades away right after you've warmed up.

[Kyle McLean]

My goal is to help Kevin and Josh be better at tricking then I am.

- Dan Pitlock

[shengoikee]

i want to show my friends some cool trickz and bring them much joy

plus meet some new friends along the way

[Khaos]

i want to land the tricks i think are beautiful as well as teaching others along the way :smile:

[Ryan Murray]

Success in any sport, activity, or art is learning something valuable about life in the process.

[shiroun]

Meet some new people and have fun. Long as I can do that I don't really care about anything.

[Torre]

Achieving my personal goals and having fun in the process without seriously injuring myself.

[breykdown]

All you people don't have to lie, you know you do it for the bitches

[Torre]

And to get bitches, too.

[Chr1zZ-]

doing the tricks that you want and most important - having fun =]

[jan]

I want to make many nice friends with tricking, because it's so nice :)

[petebull]

jan, ur avatar must die

[shogunjavier]

To have fun. No matter how bad my tricks look or how many times I fail to land one, it was worth it if I had fun. I do strive to improve, but I don't consider it a failure if I don't.

[Jayel]

killing unicorns and babies instead of other people around me....

[Frederik]

Succes in tricking/martial arts: If you never stop improve and avoid injuries and go to gatherings and meet new people with same passion and just have a good time. Setting up goals and reach them etc.

[pekei]

Success in tricking for me is to keep tricking, keep improving and have fun. This is actually something I've never thought of before. But I feel I've succeeded in tricking already, the last two years have been fantastic :D I've gained tons of self confidence and I had lots of fun during these two years^^ Hopefully this is just the beginning :)

But ofc, I still want to be a much better tricker than I am today:tongue:

[Skippy]

Actually sticking to it, holy balls haha, for me that is success in tricking. The tricks are nothing, I mean ofcourse they're something (they're tricking after all), but my success is just sticking to doing it.

Progress is a success in tricking, not necessarily learning new moves but even just putting yourself out your comfort zone once in a few sessions or getting that new combo, getting a new feeling on a move, perfecting a technique, whatever.

Having fun too. Tricking is successful if fun is had overall.