Upper body proportionality question [picture included]

[generalbbb]

I dont care about RAW MENERGY or anything. i really just want to be proportional while gaining adequate [removed lolz]. So here is me currently:

http://imgur.com/cygdy.jpg

I can't really tell, but are my shoulders under-developed?

nothing in this picture is flexed, not that it should matter i think. i'm currently 5' 11" 180 or so pounds.

thanks guys

[Ewasiuk]

usable strength

Hahaha.

[generalbbb]

Hahaha.

...eh?

[Kon-El]

bad angle to properly judge proportions. good job on lighting though...

if you care mostly about strength then the question you should be asking is are my shoulders strong enough in proportion to the rest of my body.

[tdmonster]

I think a bigger upper back may help with the illusion of good shoulders. From this angle it looks like you're built like a rectangle, like me and not a V.

[Ewasiuk]

...eh?

Usable strength is not a very good term to use. In any movement, you are using a certain degree of strength. How can you do something with out using strength, or how can you use strength without doing something?

[hamelkarl]

Lats sure need some work. Traps probably also seem weak, but this angle is very bad to say anything about them... Shoulder in that angle also looks small compared to the biceps size.

You should take more pics in better positions. Flexing will make it easier also to say anything about them. :wink:

[Rahf]

Worthless angle, making the comments about anything other than your abs, worthless.

[The Laughing Man]

everything is small, gain overall mass first.

[Birch]

Am I the only one that thinks his left pec is a little weird/lacking/smaller on the outside?

[generalbbb]

ok, thanks a lot guys. i'll keep training

[Counterfeit Soda]

God damnit guys, I accidently built up all this un-usable strength.

[generalbbb]

God damnit guys, I accidently built up all this un-usable strength.

:smashed:

[Ashtar]

EVERYONE's shoulders are underdeveloped.

[Inkrepid]

EVERYONE's shoulders are underdeveloped.

Wrong. Your just a skinny fag.

My shoulders are actually a bit large compared to the areas that lack development.

[Churoflip]

how long have you been lifting and yes your shoulders look somewhat small in comparison

[Ashtar]

Wrong. Your just a skinny fag.

My shoulders are actually a bit large compared to the areas that lack development.
I wish I were a skinny fag! Anyway, I would like to see pics of this Inkrepid, we may have different standards for shoulders. Mine are set by GunZ and Sephiroth's shoulder plates.

[Inkrepid]

I wish I were a skinny fag! Anyway, I would like to see pics of this Inkrepid, we may have different standards for shoulders. Mine are set by GunZ and Sephiroth's shoulder plates.

:dead:

[Ashtar]

http://img.cheathappens.com/walls/o_gunz_3_3.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/5/5d/Sephiroth_Nomura_art-Cut.jpg
http://animemedia.ign.com/anime/image/article/830/830512/final-fantasy-vii-collectibles-square-20071025075801171-000.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/13389/280541-68550-sephiroth_large.jpg

[Less than Dan]

Haha, you guys are so helpful!

Judging from this picture, I'd say that yes, your shoulders/delts (anterior and posterior), lats, and traps could use some work. As well, you maybe could benefit from training your lower pectorals in order to tighten up your chest.

Learn to love the shoulder press, the shrug, and the decline bench, my friend.

[Ashtar]

Learn to love the shoulder presshttp://www.youngwomenshealth.org/fitness/photos/over_shldr_press1.jpg
http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/fitness/photos/over_shldr_press2.jpg

Hey does anyone else feel an urge to serial kill whatever woman writes an article like this one: http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/fitness/ti_chest_press.html?

[Felipe]

do military press

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1043/525854087_e05e1461ef.jpg

[Colonel]

Hey does anyone else feel an urge to serial kill whatever woman writes an article like this one: http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/fitness/ti_chest_press.html?

Dude, its really sad when you see skinny dudes at the gym doing that lift.. Along with the one where you start holding the 5kg dumbells besides your ears and rotate your fists forward. (So from side on, your like rotating your fists forward(from the shoulder) then raising them back up to the next to ear press position)

You guys may have seen it in the gym before.. i'm actually not even sure what muscle it'd work, like your forearms or something? =/

But yeah, im with you Ashtar :good:

[Jackamaideshwang]

They're external rotations, for the rotator cuff, a group of small muscles on your scapula. It's not very sad when people use appropriate weights and proper technique in the gym to further athletic progression. These exercises seem pretty much neccessary for a big bench and shoulder health when doing heavy resistance training.

[Colonel]

Wow, so they're actually useful?

http://kbierek.powweb.com/shapefit-pics/shoulder-exercises-external-rotations.gif

I kinda thought they were a bit of a joke... =/ Oh well, my bad xD

[Ashtar]

the one where you start holding the 5kg dumbells besides your ears and rotate your fists forward. (So from side on, your like rotating your fists forward(from the shoulder) then raising them back up to the next to ear press position)

You guys may have seen it in the gym before.. i'm actually not even sure what muscle it'd work, like your forearms or something? =/

Do you mean like this? http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Infraspinatus/DBUprightExternalRotation.html

I've heard of that being used as an assitance exercise, apparently to counterbalance the overuse of internal rotators in bench pressing or something. That's not a bad movement, actually, so long as people are still doing other stuff.

I actually don't hate that 'chest fly' movement, it'd be fine if the intent was to work the shoulders and switch between how much you were emphasizing the anterior part. It'd be no different from going from the top of a lateral raise to the top of a front raise with your elbows up, cept it's bent to allow greater use of weight (though not like they're taking advantage of that leveredge...). The problem is how they say it works the chest.

The only way you'd work chest is by doing it incredibly fast, because you would need to overcome internia and the outward momentum created by your back muscles pulling the weight out. But the instructions are to do it slowly, so it's idiotic.

Just like how they say the front raise works the lats. I would love to see the freakish shoulders on a person who could do a front raise with so much momentum that the lats would get any kind of notable workout slowing them down on the way up.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Haha it's all good Colonel, I was a bit antsy about people only trying to lift big weights however they could. The picture there looks quite funny though, like a pornstar pose.
Alot of those types of exercises are prescribed by rehab specialists, and I guess when the public/women who want to lift really small weights get a hold of them those exercises can start working the lats, the eyeball and the uterus.

[Ashtar]

If they want to work the uterus why not just get pregnant?