swimming and weightlifting

[ButtHash Hero]

I plan to hit around 15-20 reps of some of the following
Squats
Leg Press
Leg Extension
Leg Curl
Lat Pull-down
Seated Rowing
Bent-over Rowing
Lateral Raise
Shoulder Press
Bench Press
Dumbbell Curl
Push-up
Abdominal Work
Assorted Stretches

Stuff like that. Im not a distant swimmer, i swim short distances like 50-100 yards. Anyone have any advice?

[Stas.]

50 ; 100 yards? not meters? Despite that, lifting weight will only slightly affect your swimming, to be good at it you must swim and stretch a lot, only then you will see good results. Because swimming alone gave me such great muscle aches the next morning, no matter how many years i was swimming.

[ButtHash Hero]

my bad, I plan to start swimming during the summer anyways, but for the time being im thinking some leg works will help me with my turns and starting dive.

[Bozzy]

Massive legs only slow you down in swimming unless your doing sprints in which case they still dont offer that much help unless you technique is very good.

[Stas.]

If it's only for the summer then swimming will help you burn extra calories, add muss to arms especially shoulders and is very great for endurance, though you said you're swimming short distances so I am wondering why lifting for 15-20 reps, because that amount of reps increases endurance.

[ButtHash Hero]

oh no, i plan to swim for my school. but during the summer, i plan to get back into swimming for my senior year

[Stas.]

IMO the best way to start is by swimming long distances and getting good technique, then try to swim 200 meters as fast as you can as many times. Then short distances like 50 and 100 meters will be easy and you will have good times.

[Bozzy]

IMO the best way to start is by swimming long distances and getting good technique, then try to swim 200 meters as fast as you can as many times. Then short distances like 50 and 100 meters will be easy and you will have good times.

Swimming long distances to get good technique is a bad idea.

You should swim 50's 100's 200's at a comfortable pace making sure that your technique doesnt suffer, swimming long distances will result in slipping into bad habbits, irregular kicking and breathing patterns and others.

Butthash I'm guessing you have swam before this, and when I say swam I mean proper swimming not just the odd length?

If not I would read up on some stuff make sure that the propulsion your giving from legs and arms is correct for that stroke, that your timing is correct and that you are stretching and gliding in all your strokes.

[Stas.]

You should swim 50's 100's 200's at a comfortable pace making sure that your technique doesnt suffer, swimming long distances will result in slipping into bad habbits, irregular kicking and breathing patterns and others.


so you should swim until you start doing those bad habits then stop, rest for a while and repeat. I don't know but even if you're a short distance swimmer you should get some endurance at first.

[Bozzy]

so you should swim until you start doing those bad habits then stop, rest for a while and repeat. I don't know but even if you're a short distance swimmer you should get some endurance at first.

I'm a swimming instructor.

You should not let bad habbits develop in the first place. If you 'start doing those bad habbits then stop' you have already acquire them which is what you should try to prevent.

And yes you should do endurance, but having a shitty technique and swimming a mile means nothing. With good technique swimming longer and fast is made 50x easier.

Therefore acquire good technique then train distance. You think that me as a swimming instructor would say to some kid 'OK swim as far as you can! Go for it we will learn how to swim when you start failing!' No you dont you make them learn properly then increase the distance.

[Chromos]

I've been a swimmer for 8 years. :o

the best thing ever: VASA TRAINER. Google it. Your fly and free will improve very dramatically if you do 50-100 reps a day with even just 1 bungee cord on.

-pullups

-some sort of crunches with as much range of movement as possible

-back hyperextensions (whilst holding a weight) [helps breaststroke and butterfly]

-squat jumps (hold maybe 20-30 pounds in each hand, squat as low as possible and jump as high as you possibly can, then land and squat back down....rinse and repeat) [helps punching off walls with your feet, explosive starts]


all that plus the stuff you listed are great.

Also, if you want, i could give you the gist of my daily swimming workout plan...it's about 5000-6000 meters a day total with a variety of long, short, and middle distance sets, complete with kicking sets and drills...

[Bozzy]

I've been a swimmer for 8 years. :o

the best thing ever: VASA TRAINER. Google it. Your fly and free will improve very dramatically if you do 50-100 reps a day with even just 1 bungee cord on.

-pullups

-some sort of crunches with as much range of movement as possible

-back hyperextensions (whilst holding a weight) [helps breaststroke and butterfly]

-squat jumps (hold maybe 20-30 pounds in each hand, squat as low as possible and jump as high as you possibly can, then land and squat back down....rinse and repeat) [helps punching off walls with your feet, explosive starts]


all that plus the stuff you listed are great.

Also, if you want, i could give you the gist of my daily swimming workout plan...it's about 5000-6000 meters a day total with a variety of long, short, and middle distance sets, complete with kicking sets and drills...

If he isnt that experienced following the full training programme would be pointless, though taking drills out of it and applying his own distances and intensities however, thats more like it.

[Chromos]

If he isnt that experienced following the full training programme would be pointless, though taking drills out of it and applying his own distances and intensities however, thats more like it.

My coach designed it so that beginners and veteran swimmers alike can use the program to improve. :o

We have people as young as 10 and as old as 50 in the same pool following the same program. :D

[Bozzy]

Your coach will have set it up that swimmers beginners and veteran alike will be able to use it yes.

Meaning critical drills and stroke anaylsis can be used throughout.

What I'm saying is that a beginner wouldnt swim the whole 5000-6000m programme. They would take the specific drills and do them to distances they can manage without suffering technique.

[ButtHash Hero]

Well my main stroke is breast, but im trying to learn fly for the sake of my swim team. Thanks for the tips bozzy

EDIT: If you could find me any links that could help me out with my butterfly or improve my breast, that'd be cool. I google some stuff, but I always get written links, and very few videos or images. Expert village has some stuff, but almost all the stuff from their site is garbage

[Bozzy]

Well my main stroke is breast, but im trying to learn fly for the sake of my swim team. Thanks for the tips bozzy

EDIT: If you could find me any links that could help me out with my butterfly or improve my breast, that'd be cool. I google some stuff, but I always get written links, and very few videos or images. Expert village has some stuff, but almost all the stuff from their site is garbage

I will scan a few things onto my computer tomorrow for you. I have loads and loads of guides on how to do stuff from various courses I've been on aswell, just ask

[ButtHash Hero]

please =D thank you very much my friend!

[Ashtar]

Massive legs only slow you down in swimming unless your doing sprints in which case they still dont offer that much help unless you technique is very good.
http://onlinetattoodesigns247.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/gd8250914michael-phelps-of-the-5067.jpg

[Bozzy]

http://onlinetattoodesigns247.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/gd8250914michael-phelps-of-the-5067.jpg

What is that tryg to prove?

His legs arent big atall, and due to that fact that I said 'they will slow you down unless you have good technique' this doesnt apply because he will have a very good technique?

That post only supports my argument unless you were trying to reenforce that ashtar?

[Ashtar]

Actually I wasn't trying to prove anything. I searched desperately for champion swimmers with huge legs so posting it was kind of an admission of defeat or something, and a chance to post Phelps who is a hero to all.

[ButtHash Hero]

if i could, i would be phelps and swim with my family, the dolphins