Explain something to me.

[Confucius]

I barely ever do workouts for longer than 1.5 hours, then I feel exhausted, and worn out in the parts I worked out. I generally split upper body+upper back then lower body+lower back.

Realistically, I need 2 days rest between workouts to perform well in a given body part.

Question : How can one work up to be able to weightlift several hours a day ? It seems kind of insane to me. I've just read Arnold lifted 4-6hrs/day.

[Ashtar]

Are you making progress? If you are then it doesn't matter. You can work out for longer periods by not pushing yourself as intensely, or conversely, working intensely but sticking it out or something. Working out that long isn't really necessary if you are working efficiently with challenging weights and not many break periods.

Arnold had his nutrition and stuff together (and then some), managing food and rest would give you better training endurance and recovery and stuff. I am not sure if he did, but I know some bodybuilders bring shakes with them (dextrose, BCAA) to recover energy on the fly, though I'm not sure how quickly that works exactly.

Probably the best guy to ask is Antoine since he is a champion bodybuilder. I am not sure how long he trains but he could probably train the longest if he wanted.

[Confucius]

I'm making some progress, but I figured since these holidays I'm bored most of the time, so why not spend more time training, but I seem unable to. I guess I'll try lowering weights.

[Shaedar]

Well it's kinda normal way the things go. The more you're proficient in something, the longer and better you can do it.

You squat 3x5@80kg and soon you become strong enough to add weight or increase reps. Now take your workout as whole and apply the same principle.

[chicanerous]

You split your sessions over the course of the day and program them intelligently. You also EAT, hydrate, and rest between sessions.

Quantity of training is subordinate to quality. From the beginning to intermediate stages, it's about achieving sufficient quality to your training sessions. Once you can achieve this, it's about the maintenance of quality as you increase quantity toward the advanced and elite levels of achievement

[compleks]

Arnold took lots of drugs...

[Lees Dragon]

:shocked:

[Caveman]

There's basically no need to train for that amount of time.

[chicanerous]

Arnold took lots of drugs...
This as well.

[tsuchinoko]

Arnold took lots of drugs...

Working the same bodypart twice a day is only possible through steroids

[Chromos]

If the gym has a pool you can swim at, do maybe 20-40 laps of warmup, then hop out and dry off and go weightlift. after you weightlift, hop back in the pool and do 20-40 laps of nice, easy warmdown. Then, get out and stretch, take a shower, eat MEAT. Like at least a fist-sized portion of any kind of meat, 30-45 minutes after stretching. As long as you stay out of hot tubs/saunas/steam rooms and don't take a super hot shower, you won't feel like crap the next day. For extra anti-soreness insurance, take ibuprofen/acetaminophen before you go to bed. Also, make sure to drink lots of water.

[jan]

I barely ever do workouts for longer than 1.5 hours, then I feel exhausted, and worn out in the parts I worked out. I generally split upper body+upper back then lower body+lower back.

Realistically, I need 2 days rest between workouts to perform well in a given body part.

Question : How can one work up to be able to weightlift several hours a day ? It seems kind of insane to me. I've just read Arnold lifted 4-6hrs/day.

4-6 hours of intense weightlifting per day would be kinda hard if you're not on awesome steroids.

Working the same bodypart twice a day is only possible through steroids

This isn't totally dependant on workout load and intensity at all.

[Caveman]

Working the same bodypart twice a day is only possible through steroids

Not true.

For extra anti-soreness insurance, take ibuprofen/acetaminophen before you go to bed. Also, make sure to drink lots of water.

Don't do this either, they've both been shown to have links to slowing protein synthesis down.

[WayofaWay]

Most people who train 4-6 hours a day use extended rest periods. Arnold on the other hand, used back off sets. He would do the normal 5 sets and then do another 3 to 6 sets at a lighter weight (to compensate for his weakened condition), and some power lifters do this too.

As for the working a muscle 2 times in a day, only people I know who do that are olympic lifters, but they are working the grove of a snatch or c&j not the muscles per say. When bodybuilders and power lifters lift twice a day they generally concentrate on different body parts. Arnold and his contemporaries were known for working a 2 day spit over the course of 1 day, like lower body in the morning, upper body in the evening.

As for steroids, not as effective as you may think. They help your gains, but not necessarily your recovery time. Your body works pretty hard to recover no matter if you are or aren't on drugs. And really they only "help" those elite athletes who have come close to their genetic potential.

Alas, fuck steroids... and if you want to train for 4 to 6 hours a day...
Stretch and warm up for at least an hour.
Trick for an hour.
Lift For An Hour.
Stretch and cool down for at least an hour.

Good luck!

*edit* Fuck Ibuprofen... delayed onset muscle soreness is a sign of bad eating... as well as being a pansy.

[Aldin]

*edit* Fuck Ibuprofen... delayed onset muscle soreness is a sign of bad eating... as well as being a pansy.

Can you reference this source? From what I've come across DOMS results from muscle remodeling due to increased exertion and stress.

Here is an article that talks about it: http://www.springerlink.com/content/eclkgth9nwd9ytt2/

[WayofaWay]

I kinda figured that was common knowledge in the fitness industry, that diet may be attributed to people's severe DOMS. From my personal experience, I would say it is honestly a mix of the remodeling and diet. Because I find a little DOMS to always be present in intense training, but my god it gets bad if I am eating bad.

"Diet may also play a role in the severity of DOMS as a result of intense exercise. However, this has not been extensively studied."
-http://catapultfitness.blogspot.com/2009/01/delayed-onset-muscle-soreness-part-iii.html

[tpvlyrm]

"genetics and roids" is the answer to pretty much any question relating to strength and fitness.

[Dimitri-]

Not true.



Don't do this either, they've both been shown to have links to slowing protein synthesis down.

Youre saying drinking a good amount of water slows protein synthesis?
(I can understand the ibprofen)

Ummm, I have a tough time believing that

[Caveman]

Ibuprofen

Acetaminophen

Water

You get to pick 2 of 3 that were in the section of quote I replied to, you had to pick the water didn't you...

Also steroids allow you to recover more from more demanding training, so your recovery is basically what they effect, they help more than just genetically gifted athletes as well.

[Dimitri-]

oo, touche.

[Kon-El]

"As for steroids, not as effective as you may think. They help your gains, but not necessarily your recovery time."

I'm no expert, but isn't one of the biggest advantage given by steroids significant improvement in recovery.

[tpvlyrm]

Yes, of course juicing improves your recovery. WayofaWay is pretty buff, so he's right, but he's wrong.

[Ashtar]

Caveman is correct, but steroids are required if you want to work the same body part 3x in a day. The body's limit is 2.

[anfeyd]

Caveman is correct, but steroids are required if you want to work the same body part 3x in a day. The body's limit is 2.

You can't say this without any regard to workout intensity.

[Shaedar]

Caveman is correct, but steroids are required if you want to work the same body part 3x in a day. The body's limit is 2.

You can't say this without any regard to workout intensity.

Yes haha. If this was the case everyone would have massive DOMS because of walking to the fridge and back to couch.

[tpvlyrm]

You can't say this without any regard to workout intensity.

Now that's where you're wrong - Ashtar can, and will, say whatever he damn pleases