Martial Arts

[KickFlipNick :)]

I searched and couldn't really find what i wanted to ask so here it is;
Is martial arts really that important in tricking?
I know it obviously helps a lot, e.g. form, kicks, etc... but do you think its a necessity? I don't do any martial arts. Would you recommend i start one? If so which one?
Think that's all my questions really :smile:

[Neo Dingsit.]

tricking is often considered an abbreviation of "martial arts tricks" (not by all - this will depend on their respective tricking style)

it's important for you to understand that tricking originated from martial arts so the original intention was for the moves we do to at least look like they could do some damage/evade something in an impressive way.

i personally don't think highly of formal martial arts classes (i love martial arts) but it may or may not help you with your kicking techniques. it's highly possible for you to learn some decent kicks with the help of the internet/asking friends who do martial arts etc. just read up on the basics that you're going to need (hook, spin hook, roundhouse, side, crescents etc etc)

good luck :wink:

[KickFlipNick :)]

cheers :)
i have a couple of mates that are black belt karate
i could ask them to help me get the main basic kicks
that way i have them and i can incorporate them into my tricking
atm, in terms of kicks, i can; slant gainer/moon kick, cork (if youd count that), tornado, 540, axe. Think thats about it "/

[compleks]

No, martial arts and tricking are two completely different things.

Sure, they may borrow from each other but you don't need one to be good at the other. Also, being good at one doesn't necessarily translate to being good at the other either.

[Braka]

No, martial arts and tricking are two completely different things.

Sure, they may borrow from each other but you don't need one to be good at the other. Also, being good at one doesn't necessarily translate to being good at the other either.

AGREED

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Don't start martial arts if you just want to trick.

Does anybody happen to have a rough estimate percentage of the tricksters that don't do / do martial arts...on this forum at least?

[Neo Dingsit.]

cheers :)
i have a couple of mates that are black belt karate
i could ask them to help me get the main basic kicks
that way i have them and i can incorporate them into my tricking
atm, in terms of kicks, i can; slant gainer/moon kick, cork (if youd count that), tornado, 540, axe. Think thats about it "/

some immediate advice that i can give is to practice slow kicks in order to get the motion correct (especially for things like hook kicks). when you come to doing them full speed you'll find it much easier and more controlled.

pivoting on the base leg is also highly important. ask your friends; it sounds like they'll be able to help you a bunch. :smile:

[JordanW]

Aside from learning the basic kicks and stuff I'd actually advise against learning Karate or Taekwondo, sure they're good for discipline, can strengthen your body and look really cool but they're not so useful in a street fight. For self defense you might wanna learn Muay Thai.

[Neo Dingsit.]

Aside from learning the basic kicks and stuff I'd actually advise against learning Karate or Taekwondo, sure they're good for discipline, can strengthen your body and look really cool but they're not so useful in a street fight. For self defense you might wanna learn Muay Thai.

let's not bring that kind of debate onto TT. the practicalities of street fighting is hardly any relation to busting tricks. :punched:

that's a discussion i've always stayed well away from anyway... it's not even worth getting involved.

[Happy]

If you have a couple of friends who hold black belts, I assume that they have probably had some teaching experience by now, so I think if you want to learn to kick, all you need is some guidance from them. This is assuming their knowledge is adequate. I've seen some pretty terrible black belts in my time.

But what would I know? I can't trick for shit.

[Happy]

let's not bring that kind of debate onto TT. the practicalities of street fighting is hardly any relation to busting tricks. :punched:

that's a discussion i've always stayed well away from anyway... it's not even worth getting involved.

Yeah keep that shit out of TT. That's YouTube comment material.

[540Ninja]

Yes, let's not go down that road right now.

If one does not do martial arts and wants to start tricking, I would advise that you get your basic kicks (not 540's, C7's, I mean rounds, hooks, crescents, ect...) down first. And obviously you need the flexibility to properly do kicks, otherwise they look like shit. The trickers who are amazing at kicks probably learned their basics very well before they started tricking.

[Ouriço]

It's like asking if you need to be good at short-distance sprinting to play soccer. If you have the time for it and you want to, go for it because it can be useful. But it's not necessary.

[Skilzat85X]

It's like asking if you need to be good at short-distance sprinting to play soccer. If you have the time for it and you want to, go for it because it can be useful. But it's not necessary.

Yea I agree.

Taking it will only help you physically of course (not just in ways that apply to tricking, but in other methods of body awareness), but lots of people are good without it. You may want to reference videos of MAists who do do martial arts or who are teaching kicks on like youtube, like SykoDragon. But it may not be worth the monetary investment if you'd be able to learn by those free means.

[EmpRitz]

I am going to agree with everyone and say martial arts is helpful, but not necessary for tricking.

That being said martial arts has been the most wonderful thing I have ever experience. I highly recommend it to anyone and everyone, simple because it will help make all areas of your life better.

[Ashtar]

Heck, some martial arts schools are mostly fitness/dance classes anyway, so as long as it doesn't piss of the instructor to hear it, doing them just to look cool isn't bad.

[TheRef]

Yea I agree.

Taking it will only help you physically of course (not just in ways that apply to tricking, but in other methods of body awareness), but lots of people are good without it. You may want to reference videos of MAists who do do martial arts or who are teaching kicks on like youtube, like SykoDragon. But it may not be worth the monetary investment if you'd be able to learn by those free means.

lol! you said do do!!! muahahahaha!!!!! enough of that...

I say do TKD, Karate, or Capoeira.

That way you could be some what brazilian, and have uber trickz. xD

[Origional]

I took TKD for years (this was way before I started tricking). The only kicks I can do with decent form are side kicks and front kicks. I dont remember once throwing a spinning hook (who knows maybe I did). I would have to say that all it taught me was what a semi-powerful kick feels like.

[Ashtar]

lol! you said do do!!! muahahahaha!!!!! enough of that...

I say do TKD, Karate, or Capoeira.

That way you could be some what brazilian, and have uber trickz. xDPretty sure Capoeira's the only thing Brazilian there...

It confuses the heck out of me too, like how do they end up having all their students doing handstands and cartwheels? Like, compare that to pretty much any other martial art, and what portion of their students are that athletic? They must have some very good drills that lead up to this.

[Ouriço]

The only drill for things like that is, just do it. The people who can do it do, and the people who can't just keep trying until they can. Wood flooring is excellent motivation to keep people from messing up more than once or twice! :good:

[KickFlipNick :)]

cheers guys
ill ask my mates to help me get the basic kicks and ill work on my flexibility (mainly in groins) and balance as well

[TheRef]

Pretty sure Capoeira's the only thing Brazilian there...

I was only refering to Capoeira...

[Ashtar]

Ah wait, now I see how you meant that, I lacked a bit of perception @ the time.

[TheRef]

Sah wee 4 da cun few shon

[saunders]

Tricking is short for Martial Arts Tricking. Tricking was born from MA, so yes it's important.