View Full Version : weighted clothing Goku style.
Ninja Foster
Jun-14-09, 01:55 AM
ok so my plan is to (since its summer and i dont have school) wear 20 pounds wheights on both ankles wrists and i just got a 20 pound weighted vest.100 extra poiunds in all. obviously anyone whose worn 10 pound weights on their ankles can attest to the sudden feeling of lightness once weights are removed and thats what im going for only on a full body scale. should get me pumped for tricks. i plan on jogging in this and everything. obviously its going to help. but what i ask is do you think i can burn off some extra winter fat with it? im worried also about my joints. their not used to lugging around a hundred pounds like that. constructive criticism? destructive cynicism?
andyzzle
Jun-14-09, 02:56 AM
i don't think that's a good idea...
joepaxton
Jun-14-09, 03:10 AM
If you are going to trick with them on it certaily wont work either.
Jogging with heavy ankle weights will rape your ankles. Wearing 100 lbs for a prolonged period of time will for one make your joints go to shit, and secondly break your back in half.
Tricking with ankle weights will tear your knees off.
Your body's not accustomed to being 100 lbs heavier. Your joints won't be able to take it.
Honken
Jun-14-09, 03:32 AM
obviously its going to help.
It is?
For a rushed retirement from life, it is.
Pockets
Jun-14-09, 04:10 AM
Jogging with heavy ankle weights will rape your ankles. Wearing 100 lbs for a prolonged period of time will for one make your joints go to shit, and secondly break your back in half.
Tricking with ankle weights will tear your knees off.
Your body's not accustomed to being 100 lbs heavier. Your joints won't be able to take it.
listen to what this man has to say for he speaks wisely.
Seriously, dont do that i used that sistem(only with ankle weights) for a few weeks before a tornament and results were amazing(got a 3rd place in kumite) but 2 days after the tornament my knee got all fucked up because the ankle weights had made it weak. had to stop training karate and pretty much everything for 3 months and it's still not as good as it used to be, probably it will never be.
Save yourself and be patient, give yourself time to improve
compleks
Jun-14-09, 04:13 AM
Not a good idea really.
AndyLeTerrible
Jun-14-09, 04:14 AM
Yes. A Hyperbolic Time Chamber would be much better
AndyLeTerrible
Jun-14-09, 04:15 AM
I do a lot of push ups and sit ups and drink a lot of juice
k-slash
Jun-14-09, 04:30 AM
Fantastic idea! Why did i not think of this first?
I think you should start striaght away! Add in sprinting too!
You'll become a super athlete, like the world has never seen!
compleks
Jun-14-09, 04:35 AM
As a general rule you shouldn't take training advice from cartoons.
I take training advice from Fist of the North Star.
Jackamaideshwang
Jun-14-09, 04:50 AM
I think we're all a little biased. If you look at it another way, if he had 'good' technique in everyday life, like only moving and letting the weight be pulled by gravity in the correct joint movement planes and not to the sides putting strain on ligaments, it may work. Compare that to squatting twice bodyweight or deadlifting 200kg's, or even just the 100 pounds he's adding on, you would also be screwed without using proper technique and with the same joint strain. Keeping in mind, in general, he wouldn't be able to do any openly accelerated lateral movements, so tricking, M.A and probably running would end in disaster.
Just doing everyday, controlled activities, he may see some improvement in something, probably core muscles. Tricking, running and controlled resistance training all use more force and power in movements than what you would be able to safely pull off in the weighted setup, so the performance increase would seem far far less than if you did tricking, running and resistance training.
There's a slight difference in lifting 400 lbs once or twice (after training for it for a couple of years), and wearing 100 lbs extra for a day at a time. I do believe I could safely assume your joints would pretty much deteriorate.
I'm pretty damn sure the only thing he'd end up doing, would be improving the rate of lower back pain.
I used to wear 10lbs ankle weights for a day at a time. My knees started hurting after just a few days, and my ankles cracked twice as much as before. I've tested this, and it's not good for you.
Ziopavi
Jun-14-09, 05:34 AM
As a general rule you shouldn't take training advice from cartoons.
:good:
If you wanna do static leg holds with them on, that would probably help your kicks, but anything that involves bouncing/jumping up and down isn't good, and you don't wear them ALL day the same reason you don't lift weights ALL day.
Also, good luck finding 20lb arm weights, I'm not sure if they exist.
Jackamaideshwang
Jun-14-09, 06:03 AM
If he had proper technique though, he may be able to not damage himself. It'd be really difficult and unnatural to not put strain on his joints, but I'd say it's possible. It doesn't seem to be a worthwhile endeavour compared to what he could be doing.
jamesters
Jun-14-09, 06:26 AM
Weights are probably going to be better for strength sand power type exercises, and will probably just strain your body with little benefit for endurance training or highly technical training (such as doing tricks).
I use body weights, I used to do a lot of sprints and jumps with body weight, now I use them mostly for pull ups, rope climbs, and different hand stand positions.
Alpha Moth
Jun-14-09, 06:36 AM
Would it be useful with some body supported exercise.. swimming for examplE?
Anders91065
Jun-14-09, 09:40 AM
apparently ankles weights screw up your back too..
idk, i talked to a trainer about it and my doctor said he was right
anfeyd
Jun-14-09, 09:59 AM
Jack you don't get it. The body is used to the way it moves and it adapts based upon how much everything weighs. You don't really suddenly gain 20 lbs on a very part of your distal leg or arm and neither do you magically gain 100 lbs to your midsection in an instant. The body isn't used to carrying this load and as a result the connective tissue isn't adapted. I don't care how good your 'form' is. You don't have good 'form' in everyday life anyways.
The body adapts to strength over time.
Ninja Foster
Jun-14-09, 10:12 AM
If you are going to trick with them on it certaily wont work either.
hahahaha no way lmao that would be funny to see
also thanks everyone who discussed this.i don't think im going to do that now. i figured there might be joint damage but i wanted to see if anyone else had success before i dismissed it. THANKS COMMUNITY you rock.
Lord Nirmal
Jun-14-09, 12:50 PM
I still think you should try it, others have had success using anime training techniques:
http://img3.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/03232008/7/4/f/5/74f5156840d610_full.jpg
tuareg
Jun-14-09, 01:39 PM
7VSR4_tAYvw
andyzzle
Jun-14-09, 02:14 PM
7VSR4_tAYvw
i watched this like 5 times now and i love it! :tongue:
edit: also, don't let guru see this...
Patrickster
Jun-14-09, 03:11 PM
Sounds like too much weight.
Ashtar
Jun-14-09, 04:07 PM
You could burn off winter fat with them, yeah... but you could also do that without them too. It's great you have these tools, but it's probably better to use them for more controlled stuff, like bodyweight exercises or something.
Like, doing pistol squats or pushups (especially with a leg raised) wearing all that shit, that'd be pretty tough, and much less dangerous than running in it.
Jackamaideshwang
Jun-14-09, 04:36 PM
Jack you don't get it. The body is used to the way it moves and it adapts based upon how much everything weighs. You don't really suddenly gain 20 lbs on a very part of your distal leg or arm and neither do you magically gain 100 lbs to your midsection in an instant. The body isn't used to carrying this load and as a result the connective tissue isn't adapted. I don't care how good your 'form' is. You don't have good 'form' in everyday life anyways.
The body adapts to strength over time.
Exactly, the reason jan and others had problems is because they slap on the weights and go about everything as normal.
It'd be really difficult and unnatural to not put strain on his joints, but I'd say it's possible. It doesn't seem to be a worthwhile endeavour compared to what he could be doing.
That more or less explained it. Your life would be like one big bodyweight exercise when you move around. Using the weights on bodyweight exercises supposedly isn't detrimental so why is moving in a similar controlled manner detrimental? (You just couldn't move around like a normal person)
I think essentially we're arguing the same point again, it's just I'm trying to let people know, that on the slim chance that someone did focus on technique and controlled movements while being weighted, they may not hurt themselves. I agree with it's a stupid idea, it's just good to look at it from the other side once in a while.
Ashtar
Jun-14-09, 04:58 PM
I think if you're just going to walk around it's fine, it's moreso with ballistic impact-based stuff, or things involving momentum like rapid twisting where there could be some safety issues.
When people talk about skill stuff it is more like, the weights will cause you to move slowly, you'll get used to applying more force, but the force will be moving through it's RoM slower than if you were applying that amount without resistance.
With weightlifting and other kinds of resistance training, it can also be relatively slow, but you also tend to do it for briefer periods of time, or like, your body recognizes it as something different so it won't try to rewire your normal movement patterns for the new weight or something.
What I want to know is: where the heck did you get 20lb wrist weights? I found ankle weights like that but nothing marketed for wrist.
Also, weighted vests get pretty heavy so how do you choose between using a light vest and heavy limb weights, or a heavy vest and light (or no) limb weights. Maybe it depends on the movement?
Final Prophecy
Jun-14-09, 05:04 PM
CAN YOU KAMEHAMEHA YET?
Origional
Jun-14-09, 06:48 PM
I love how nobody even considered progression. I doubt I could pop 3 with 100 extra lbs, let along trick or jog (and I consider myself in pretty good shape). Using ankle weights will also make you slower, not faster.
The only "effective" training session I had with body weights was when I played basketball. There was a 50 lb sack (I think filled with sand) named "Betty". Betty was utter hell to hold/carry. If we skipped/slacked off during practice we had to spend the next practice with Betty on our back (some of which were over two hours long). Therefore we all trained because we didnt want to carry the damn thing!
I think the only time body weights should be used during motion is in a form of negative motivation.
I still think you should try it, others have had success using anime training techniques:
http://img3.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/03232008/7/4/f/5/74f5156840d610_full.jpg
Is that a picture of Guru?
tuareg
Jun-14-09, 10:50 PM
no, but i'm pretty sure it inspired him!
I think your back will hurt like fuck. My back hurts every day at work just from wearing chain mail and other protective equipment.
Ninja Foster
Jun-14-09, 11:07 PM
You could burn off winter fat with them, yeah... but you could also do that without them too. It's great you have these tools, but it's probably better to use them for more controlled stuff, like bodyweight exercises or something.
Like, doing pistol squats or pushups (especially with a leg raised) wearing all that shit, that'd be pretty tough, and much less dangerous than running in it.
i think i'll do that. it sounds tons safer thanks.
andyzzle
Jun-15-09, 04:25 AM
Is that a picture of Guru?
nah that'll be willbo i think...red hair, you know :wink:
compleks
Jun-15-09, 06:06 AM
I think your back will hurt like fuck. My back hurts every day at work just from wearing chain mail and other protective equipment.
Are you a knight?
Jackamaideshwang
Jun-15-09, 06:21 AM
Slaughtering for the king!
kinetic
Jun-15-09, 08:55 AM
Yeah, any words on progression with this anybody? Im sure it could be done. I wont do it though hahah.
Kitosho
Jun-15-09, 12:09 PM
this sounds like a phenomenal idea
ok so my plan is to (since its summer and i dont have school) wear 20 pounds wheights on both ankles wrists and i just got a 20 pound weighted vest.100 extra poiunds in all. obviously anyone whose worn 10 pound weights on their ankles can attest to the sudden feeling of lightness once weights are removed and thats what im going for only on a full body scale. should get me pumped for tricks. i plan on jogging in this and everything. obviously its going to help. but what i ask is do you think i can burn off some extra winter fat with it? im worried also about my joints. their not used to lugging around a hundred pounds like that. constructive criticism? destructive cynicism?
what ever you do, do not trick in the weights...
it will throw off all of your timing once you take your weights off.
Are you a knight?
Slaughtering for the king!
Yeah, I think I may have mentioned this before. I work on the slaughter floor of a major beef slaughterhouse/abattoir.
Why don't someone here just take a huge frickin' backpack, stuff it with 45 pounds and then walk around with it all day. That will give you an idea of how your legs feel with added weight.
I can inform you that they will be abit sore, not to mention if you decide to run or do something that has an actual impact on your legs.
If you want a good bicep workout get yourned girlfriend to jump on you and ride piggyback style, except in front of you. Then just walk around for a few minutes holding her there. YOU WILL DIE
Also Rahf makes great eggs
Also ally'all be dumbz
Hyourinmaru
Jun-16-09, 03:58 AM
the real world isnt fucking dragonball z...
wearing weighted clothes\bands dont make you stronger, it fucks you up...
stop confusing reality with anime.....
compleks
Jun-16-09, 06:02 AM
Yeah, I think I may have mentioned this before. I work on the slaughter floor of a major beef slaughterhouse/abattoir.
Wow, I don't think I would like that job very much...
tuareg
Jun-16-09, 10:07 AM
to be honest, i would appreciate any kind of job at the moment.
WHAT ABOUT A BLOW JOB!??! NURRRRRRr
frankinstine
Jun-16-09, 12:20 PM
scott you retard
tuareg
Jun-16-09, 12:42 PM
a blow job would be the best, of course.
Ashtar
Jun-18-09, 08:34 PM
"Betty". Betty was utter hell to hold/carry. If we skipped/slacked off during practice we had to spend the next practice with Betty on our back (some of which were over two hours long). Therefore we all trained because we didnt want to carry the damn thing!
http://www.peteykins.com/sparklepony/BettyRubble.jpg
http://www.smartalecmusic.com/Betty__Rubble_.....jpg
http://www.genreonline.net/Genre_files/AtomicBetty1.JPG
Is that a picture of Guru?
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x114/DeiXGaara/Gaara/Gaara_Leather_Entwined_by_xXGaarax.jpg
If you want a good bicep workout get yourned girlfriend to jump on you and ride piggyback style, except in front of you. Then just walk around for a few minutes holding her there. YOU WILL DIEAs a warmup you can do it on your back, and then as a dropset, and if you are actually going to end up dropping her then give piggybacks in the pool, start with the fattest chick and work your way down.
the real world isnt fucking dragonball z...
wearing weighted clothes\bands dont make you stronger, it fucks you up...
stop confusing reality with anime.....You're misrepresenting this. Anime uses scientific principles in regards to this: if you train with progressive resistance then your body adapts to the stress. The only thing unrealistic about anime in regards to that is the exaggerated recovery capacity of the human body, and the exaggerated amount of force that can be produced by small humans.
niodman
Jun-25-09, 07:28 AM
take it one step at a time.
if you decide to add weight do it in small incremints around the core of the body
take your time befor adding more
and make sure your body adapts completely befor moving on
slow but effective
once you hit your goal, get used to it, then drop the weight all at once and see what happens :)
Ashtar
Jun-26-09, 01:54 AM
If you're going to be jogging, I guess, but if you were planning to train sprints (more useful skill) either doing it uphill or on a level plane with a parachute would be easier on the joints and more transferable resistance angle.
Honken
Jun-26-09, 02:46 AM
Thought this day would never come, but I agree with Ashtar.
Final Prophecy
Jun-26-09, 01:18 PM
the real world isnt fucking dragonball z...
wearing weighted clothes\bands dont make you stronger, it fucks you up...
stop confusing reality with anime.....
Seriously this has to be the dumbest thread I've ever seen.
I'm still not sure if the original poster made this thread as a joke or not.
If you're going to be jogging, I guess, but if you were planning to train sprints (more useful skill) either doing it uphill or on a level plane with a parachute would be easier on the joints and more transferable resistance angle.
Parachute? ahahah you gotta be fucking kidding me
Get a fucking huge rubber band, tie one side of it to a post, tie the other side to yourself, around yourned waist, and then RUN AWAY FROM THE POST.
Kon-El
Jun-26-09, 03:12 PM
Apparently a less common technique to improve sprinting is to sprint faster than you normally can using some sort of aid. One method of this is to be catapulted into a sprint using bands, cracked me up when i read it. It seems a safer alternative is to just sprint downhill (albeit not a very steep one).
Honken
Jun-26-09, 03:20 PM
Or just do sled work. Running faster than you physically can sounds dangerous.
Apparently a less common technique to improve sprinting is to sprint faster than you normally can using some sort of aid. One method of this is to be catapulted into a sprint using bands, cracked me up when i read it. It seems a safer alternative is to just sprint downhill (albeit not a very steep one).
Kills your joints, knees first and foremost. It'd probably be smarter to sprint uphill in order to provide more resistance.
I think it'd be better to build a machine that can multiply the earth's gravity and then work your way up to 100x!!
Origional
Jun-27-09, 09:51 AM
For sprinting speed he would just be better off getting himself a 2-2.5x bodyweight squat and single digit body fat. Then find his weakness from there.
Honken
Jun-27-09, 10:12 PM
Maby he squats 3x his bodyweight and wants to use the weighted clothing to step it up?
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Step-Up-movie-19.jpg
Origional
Jun-28-09, 08:23 PM
Maby he squats 3x his bodyweight and wants to use the weighted clothing to step it up?
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Step-Up-movie-19.jpg
If he squats 3x body weight we should be asking him for advice.
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