soooooooo.

[mrjiggyfly]

i troll this fourm ALOT, just looking and what not, and i have one thing to say, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:

[Dirty White Hat]

get your ass to an MG gathering wayne

[Anima]

I hate people complaining about this all the time. I see so many people doing clean kicks; what videos are you watching, and where?

This was only a slight problem in something like 2006/2007 maybe.

[JiayoJames]

i troll this fourm ALOT, just looking and what not, and i have one thing to say, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:

Here's a Jacknife. Does this count as clean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reApdh-gNgA

[Khaos]

Here's a Jacknife. Does this count as clean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reApdh-gNgA

to clean take it back


yeah i would prefer to see some real nice kicks instead of all the corks ha ha but thats just preference

[Augenatic]

that jacknife was awesome man!

[daviddalo]

since when did 540guy have the cleanest kicks himself?

i see plenty of clean kicks on tt, maybe youre watching the wrong vids

[Cicero]

i troll this fourm ALOT, just looking and what not, and i have one thing to say, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:

Jesus, shut the fuck up.

[Frederik]

since when did 540guy have the cleanest kicks himself?


Agree

[Skippy]

On supporting wayne, in this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeZbSgZIA3E

All his kicks were quite sound, in Wayne and Dave their gym sampler, he does a b twist round > hook > snapu, and although the snapu isn't great the kick in it is quite defined and the b twist round is awesome haha. Andddd in his 2006 sampler the first 3 clips in it are kicks and they're all good, the only time his kicks were really sub par was when he did like, cheat 9 dubs and snapus reallllly.


However now that mini rant is over, there isn't really a problem with anyones kicks these days, I think more people are clean now than they used to be anyway. There are just less people who really stand out on cleanliness because a lot more people all well rounded these days. Most people have perfectly fine kicks.

[Cory]

goddamn. bitching about clean kicks is such a waste of time. If someone wants clean kicks, then they're going to work for them. If they don't have clean kicks, then they probably just don't give a damn about it and would rather do flips and twists all day.

[daviddalo]

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:

this is what bothers me... tt trickers are kicking better than ever, when was it better before? just because there are more noobs on here than in the past, doesnt mean the good kickers are gone

[Dark Twista]

goddamn. bitching about clean kicks is such a waste of time. If someone wants clean kicks, then they're going to work for them. If they don't have clean kicks, then they probably just don't give a damn about it and would rather do flips and twists all day.

Thats the truth, and it makes me sad. :sad:

[mrjiggyfly]

the fact that every samp i see lately is full of nothing but dub twists, that double abcd guy cant kick, but still one of the best tricksters? when i bring this up to alot of people they all agree.

[jiayo-chris]

You need to stop bitching and go and clean up YOUR kicks.
/thread

[Cory]

Then don't watch those samplers?

Some people just don't give a damn about kicking. They don't enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with that. Its still awesome and its still tricking.

[mrjiggyfly]

You need to stop bitching and go and clean up YOUR kicks.
/thread


learn how to do a spin kick above your waist?

[jiayo-chris]

yeah ok mate.

[Skippy]

the fact that every samp i see lately is full of nothing but dub twists, that double abcd guy cant kick, but still one of the best tricksters? when i bring this up to alot of people they all agree.

Ohhhh he can kick haha.

[D.A.]

I really don't think there are many people out there who think anyone that only twists is anywhere near the best tricker. To be considered one of the best trickers, you have to be good at everything. Sure Bubba has insane kicks and Scotty Skelton has insane twists, but neither of them is considered to be one of the best trickers. If that were so, Olympic gymnasts would be the best trickers lawl.
There is a difference between not doing kicks and saying kicks don't matter.

[saunders]

the fact that every samp i see lately is full of nothing but dub twists, that double abcd guy cant kick, but still one of the best tricksters? when i bring this up to alot of people they all agree.

2007 just called..
they want their kicks back

[Bozzy]

Scott can kick though.

It might be that he just prefers doing twists and flips is there a problem with that?

And just because 'people' says he one of the best, dont get that confused with self-proclaiming hes one of the best.

He's just doing what he loves give him a break.

And on a side note wayne jiayo-chris can kick really well, whether he admits it or not lololol

[Safari]

Why do people let them bother by this? He is one person god damnit. Go trick instead, it's more fun. "Stop taking tricking so seriously, gangstahs."

Yes I know, my kicks are hella uncleans, but it's a work in progress, not all of us have done MA you know.

[petrifilms]

Dude there are still alot of clean kickers on TT man...and even so, you shouldn't bitch about someones personal preferences.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKR3KnBQZo
Just for you.

[David M.]

i dont get it he doesn't have to have clean kicks in order to say that people aren't clean themselves. so dont bash him for it.

by that logic u cant say that other people are goood unless you yourself are also good.

i will work hard to impress you wayne *good*

[Cicero]

i dont get it he doesn't have to have clean kicks in order to say that people aren't clean themselves. so dont bash him for it.

by that logic u cant say that other people are goood unless you yourself are also good.

i will work hard to impress you wayne *good*

That's not the point though. "Kicking is dead" threads have been made so many times they should have monthly editions for them. As I said before, in the last "Kicking is dead" thread, people have been complaining about this since i joined at the beginning of '04 and i'm sure it went on like that since forever.

Fact is, there is no issue. Just by mentioning there's an issue, you create one. People have had good kicks and bad kicks in tricking since forever. Wayne here, should get over it.

What are you doing here anyway Wayne? I thought you were gonna become a race car driver. You can't come back here and complain about a sport you whined about quitting before.

And that's the thing about you man. You're just a whiner. You always complain, and nothing ever seems to ever be good enough for you. You're a very immature kid from the way you post here, but I'll tell you something. When you come to this world, you're not entitled to a good life.

Life isn't always fair. I'm sorry sunshine.

[Safari]

i dont get it he doesn't have to have clean kicks in order to say that people aren't clean themselves. so dont bash him for it.

by that logic u cant say that other people are goood unless you yourself are also good.

i will work hard to impress you wayne *good*

This is true..

And he brings up something that he sees as an issue, but tricking has grown.. now most of the new gen trickers don't compete in XMA, not many have MA background and since kicks is the hardest part too master it results in different ways to tricks.. To me this really isn't a big issue.


EDIT:

this "double ABCD guy" (lol) can't kick good because he rather focus on an other way of expressing himself.. Little do you guys know that MR double ABCD was actually world champ in karate full contact.. So fuck that statement about him being bad at kicks tbh.

[David M.]

Dude there are still alot of clean kickers on TT man...and even so, you shouldn't bitch about someones personal preferences.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKR3KnBQZo
Just for you.

just to let you kno dude, high kicks doesnt = clean



cicera man, i think he mentioned CLEAN kicks not just kicks in general. and they're not around as much because more and more people join tricking without martial arts background (basically the drilling of basic basic kicks and stretching aspects) so its a given that kicks wont be as deadly anymore.

[Snoski]

I think it's freakin admirable when Scotty just does his fucking thing and doesn't care for a bit what some twat on the other side of the globe says about him on the internets.

[Cicero]

just to let you kno dude, high kicks doesnt = clean



cicera man, i think he mentioned CLEAN kicks not just kicks in general. and they're not around as much because more and more people join tricking without martial arts background (basically the drilling of basic basic kicks and stretching aspects) so its a given that kicks wont be as deadly anymore.

I think there were always people with bad and people with good kicks. The only reason you may be seeing a greater number of "non" clean kickers is maybe because Tricking is getting exponentally larger and we have a greater number of noobs learning tricking now than a few years back. However the opposite I find is true as well. There are many more good kickers now than a few years back.

Also, I'm sure that more than 50% of the people who don't have "clean" kicks are working on them. You can't blame somebody for not being born with flawless kicking technique.

For the record, I think Petrifilm's combo was very clean.

[David M.]

For the record, I think Petrifilm's combo was very clean.

ye the first kick in his autobanh is really extended. the camera doesn't really do it any justice. (cuz it makes his tricks look worse lol)

[Skippy]

Scotty can bs10 better than most people and I bet any fucking money the guy can do some crazy kicks, but just prefers not to.

[David M.]

Scotty can bs10 better than most people and I bet any fucking money the guy can do some crazy kicks, but just prefers not to.

lol because he can backside 10 doesn't make him anything except for someone who can bs10.

and hardly anyone does it so ofc he does it better than most haha.

[Skilzat85X]

Dude there are still alot of clean kickers on TT man...and even so, you shouldn't bitch about someones personal preferences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYKR3KnBQZo
Just for you.
Oooooh sexy.
That's not the point though. "Kicking is dead" threads have been made so many times they should have monthly editions for them. As I said before, in the last "Kicking is dead" thread, people have been complaining about this since i joined at the beginning of '04 and i'm sure it went on like that since forever.

Fact is, there is no issue. Just by mentioning there's an issue, you create one. People have had good kicks and bad kicks in tricking since forever. Wayne here, should get over it.

What's are you doing here anyway Wayne? I thought you were gonna become a race car driver. You can't come back here and complain about a sport you whined about quitting before.

And that's the thing about you man. You're just a whiner. You always complain, and nothing ever seems to ever be too good for you. You're a very immature kid from the way you post here, but I'll tell you something. When you come to this world, you're not entitled to a good life.

Life isn't always fair. I'm sorry sunshine.
Man Cicero I'm on your side but I must say we're just talking about kicks not our entire life's philosophy ahaha.
just to let you kno dude, high kicks doesnt = clean

Well yea, but if kicks are clean then they will be high, if kicks are not clean they will most likely be low but still possibly high. So I mean really if you can hit high up on the target, it still takes lots of strength to get your leg up there. That said, yes.

I will say though even though I don't believe it's a problem, the definition of "good kicks" is getting distorted based on some of the posts here haha. I don't look for perfection, but just that the technique is even there to begin with. And lots of people just don't care about the technique being there, mostly in hook kicks. Of course there are going to be some sticklers that demand absolute perfection of the technique, but just the general concepts.

EDIT: And oh yea, even if people don't even want to do any kicks, who are you to say they need to? I mean if they go around self-proclaiming that they're the best tricker or some crap, then yea that'd be inappropriate. But really like was mentioned before, they're just doing something they enjoy.

I suppose though, if you are going to even try kicks, do them well.

[Cicero]

The first part of my post was directed at at the topic. The second at Wayne.

[Skippy]

lol because he can backside 10 doesn't make him anything except for someone who can bs10.

and hardly anyone does it so ofc he does it better than most haha.

He can do plenty more than just that lolol, jus sayin. But that's not for me to tell haha.

[David M.]

He can do plenty more than just that lolol, jus sayin. But that's not for me to tell haha.

I don't beleve you. :)

[petrifilms]

just to let you kno dude, high kicks doesnt = clean

What are clean kicks then.

I have to see power, height, and speed, for me to say any kick is clean. Even so, there is no perfect kick. We wouldn't have style if there was.

[David M.]

What are clean kicks then.

I have to see power, height, and speed, for me to say any kick is clean. Even so, there is no perfect kick. We wouldn't have style if there was.

i consider noticeable extention, clean.

like if ur cutting something with a sharp knife, no matter how big or small the knife you only get a clean cut from a sharp blade, yanno?

i feel like when it comes to kicks, in order to attain a clean cut it has to have extention, it has to be SHARP lol. doesn't have to be a high or a low kick because both of those can have different levels of extention.

[David M.]

What are clean kicks then.

I have to see power, height, and speed, for me to say any kick is clean. Even so, there is no perfect kick. We wouldn't have style if there was.

i consider noticable extention, clean.

like if ur cutting something with a sharp knife, no matter how big or small the knife you only get a clean cut from a sharp blade, yanno?

i feel like when it comes to kicks, in order to attain a clean cut it has to have extention, it has to be SHARP lol. doesn't have to be a high or a low kick because both of those can have different levels of extention.

[Cory]

That's not the point though. "Kicking is dead" threads have been made so many times they should have monthly editions for them. As I said before, in the last "Kicking is dead" thread, people have been complaining about this since i joined at the beginning of '04 and i'm sure it went on like that since forever.

Fact is, there is no issue. Just by mentioning there's an issue, you create one. People have had good kicks and bad kicks in tricking since forever. Wayne here, should get over it.

What's are you doing here anyway Wayne? I thought you were gonna become a race car driver. You can't come back here and complain about a sport you whined about quitting before.

And that's the thing about you man. You're just a whiner. You always complain, and nothing ever seems to ever be too good for you. You're a very immature kid from the way you post here, but I'll tell you something. When you come to this world, you're not entitled to a good life.

Life isn't always fair. I'm sorry sunshine.

iloveyou<3


And seriously, I'm still kinda pissed about this whole thread. I didn't even give a damn about kicking until I had been tricking for over 2 and a half years. Sure, I could throw a shitty 540 and 720, but I didn't even feel compelled in the slightest to try to clean them up or even try to learn new kicks like C9s and Sideswipes until last fall.

Just let people do what they want to do. Eventually they'll realize how badass a good jacknife is. There are always going to be excellent kickers out there, but you're going to have to look for them.

/rant

[Dirty White Hat]

John vanek has double abcd and double cork cork.

But what you rarely get to see him do are some of the cleanest kicks I've ever seen. He can do all of em. He just doesn't like putting them in videos for his own reasons

[AsoBit]

Nah man, I saw flat footed leg lifts.

[Skilzat85X]

If a kick is low and fully extended it is not clean whatsoever.

[Asura]

Apparently, everyone on this forum is an expert on tricking...which is why they use this forum - because they need the help so much :tongue: HAR-HAR-HAR

No...through these 4 years of being a member of this forum, it's become quite clear that everyone actually has a clear understanding of what tricking is; it's all about whether they practice it in its entirety, or not.

On top of this...with the dominant trend being in "twists/jump", there is hardly any incentive towards posting a vid with a flip-kick-twist balance.

On top of that...just because a person does not post videos of themselves kicking; does not mean that they don't kick, just means that you have no evidence that they do. Kinda like the whole Kalman Csoka thing :eh:

All I can say at this juncture is that kicks are really hard to do well. I've been trying and trying and trying harder when it comes to cleaning up my kicking based tricks, and just before I get satisfied, I find something else that needs fixing.

I think there are many trickers who would agree with me, perhaps: Nick Vail, Morgan, Jono, Dan Perez deTejada, Ott, Fresh, Chris deVera, Kyle McLean, Prodigy, Anis Cheurfa, Dan Pitlock, Team Jaiyo, Team Bagel, Dave Hill, Teddy, Doeni, Vellu, Ramenfood, Baz, Bolli, Nadi, Ryan and the list could go on and on...

There are many people who have their own perception of what is clean...some are MA based, and others are not...I particularly consider the MA based ones to be more accurate, but people have their preferences and unique ways of looking at things so I'm not going to go into that.

All I know is that this is how I feel about the community as of late when it comes to tricking...

I would really like it if that reporter would never talk again...

She had no fucking idea what she was talking about and it was annoying as hell. I wanted to kill that bitch. :dead:

Exactly Cory, you summed that up quite nicely...

[The13thAce]

i troll this fourm ALOT, just looking and what not, and i have one thing to say, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:



getting into trouble again i see wayne



oh dear

[Air Australia]

i troll this fourm ALOT, just looking and what not, and i have one thing to say, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:

haha Wayne :tongue:

Do you ever stop complaining? It seems to really annoy you that myself (and others) don't trick the way (or to the standard) that you want us to. Are you really that close minded that you can't accept that fact different people in the community have different preferences?

If you could stop your bitching for just ten seconds you would see there are countless young trickers that are busting their asses day in, day out to push us further than the point you left us before you became a truck driver or whatever it is you do now. To sit back and criticize the points of tricking they're lacking on doesn't make you part of the solution, it makes you part of the problem.

People constantly throw around the term "if you're not kicking, you aren't tricking." Well the truth here is you are just trolling and to be honest I don't see why the younger trickers of this generation should have to listen to your sideline elitest whinging when everyone knows damn well the trickers you often call out are doing their respective bests in the areas they're interested in.

If you don't like samplers full of twisting, don't watch them. Better yet, if you want to see cleaner kicks Go and do them yourself haha.

That's not the point though. "Kicking is dead" threads have been made so many times they should have monthly editions for them. As I said before, in the last "Kicking is dead" thread, people have been complaining about this since i joined at the beginning of '04 and i'm sure it went on like that since forever.

Fact is, there is no issue. Just by mentioning there's an issue, you create one. People have had good kicks and bad kicks in tricking since forever. Wayne here, should get over it.

What are you doing here anyway Wayne? I thought you were gonna become a race car driver. You can't come back here and complain about a sport you whined about quitting before.

And that's the thing about you man. You're just a whiner. You always complain, and nothing ever seems to ever be good enough for you. You're a very immature kid from the way you post here, but I'll tell you something. When you come to this world, you're not entitled to a good life.

Life isn't always fair. I'm sorry sunshine.

goddamn. bitching about clean kicks is such a waste of time. If someone wants clean kicks, then they're going to work for them. If they don't have clean kicks, then they probably just don't give a damn about it and would rather do flips and twists all day.

since when did 540guy have the cleanest kicks himself?

i see plenty of clean kicks on tt, maybe youre watching the wrong vids


On top of that...just because a person does not post videos of themselves kicking; does not mean that they don't kick, just means that you have no evidence that they do. Kinda like the whole Kalman Csoka thing :eh:


You need to stop bitching and go and clean up YOUR kicks.
/thread

Listen to these people Wayne.

They are all members of this forum that have been here for a long time and are well connected with the community.

Telling someone like Chris to learn how to kick above his waist just shows how abysmally out of touch you are with what's actually going on in tricking these days.

To be entirely honest, you just need to grow the hell up haha.

[Churoflip]

LOLOLLOLOL

[Rudy]

congrats wayne....

you are the first person get a completely agitated response out of scotty.

Way to go :bad:

but Scott is right, just accept peoples styles and lack of kicks

[Safari]

Uh-oh.. Scotty is on fire!

[daviddalo]

word to the man scotty!!

[thaison]

hope im not too late

http://vimeo.com/5458997

[Phil D]

People need to stop worrying about what other people are doing and go do what makes THEM happy. Personally i barely kick because i dont find them very satisfying, im more of a twister/flipper. Do i care if people tell me i 'You have to kick otherwise you're not a tricker!'? Nope i really dont care.

[Snoski]

Quoting my own post, since it's still related.
I think it's freakin admirable when Scotty just does his fucking thing and doesn't care for a bit what some twat on the other side of the globe says about him on the internets.

[TiVo]

Poor Wayne...He's been living under a rock for too long.

[HaoTwo]

I think the "twisty/flippy" (i use that term very loosely) should pick on the kickers.

Not really, but if you think about it that way each party would be equally as bad.

not all of us have done MA you know.

All it takes is practice to get them equally as good to somebody who has MA experience. I remember somebody posted "the difference between Martial Artists and Trickers is that one practiced his kicks and one didn't".

[k-slash]

Man, people lose so many respect points when they bring up this stuff.

[Cory]

Man, people lose so many respect points when they bring up this stuff.

for realz :ouch:

[BrandonLenz]

for realz

[mrjiggyfly]

losing respect points from people im never going to see in my life, damn, harsh, but david m i think it was sumed everything up, i wasent clear on what i meant, im just used to watching samps when people actually kicked the right way, with strait legs, pointed toes, idk what i was thinking coming here expecting to see that, and the real reason everyone flips and twists, becasue its damn easy to do, noone is bright enough to learn how to do a real kick. whatever this fourm is the gaysos.


ban me now please. kthxbye.

[mrjiggyfly]

and ill def post a perfect kicks samp sometime is the future, seeing as im awesome.

[daviddalo]

do us a favor and never visit this site again

[saunders]

and the real reason everyone flips and twists, becasue its damn easy to do

yes because you can triple cork any time right?

[k-slash]

losing respect points from people im never going to see in my life, damn, harsh, but david m i think it was sumed everything up, i wasent clear on what i meant, im just used to watching samps when people actually kicked the right way, with strait legs, pointed toes, idk what i was thinking coming here expecting to see that, and the real reason everyone flips and twists, becasue its damn easy to do, noone is bright enough to learn how to do a real kick. whatever this fourm is the gaysos.


ban me now please. kthxbye.
Waynes kicks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtKD9zcNVNo&feature=channel_page

vs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDN8t4wamoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xBfHqU99QI&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqSGLoLuxCs&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TubRKv7vfRw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrsXm6XqEwg&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqpXc5vD8T4&feature=channel

I could keep going, but it's getting boring. So my point is, stop talking shit Wayne.

[Torre]

Owned.

[JiayoJames]

What a dick.

[David M.]

eveyone needs to just forget that this all ever happened and love eachother again lol.

[Khaos]

eveyone needs to just forget that this all ever happened and love eachother again lol.

including me :smile:

[ninjohn22]

Kicks are harder than twists...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I use kicks to build momentum for complicated twists!!!

John vanek has double abcd and double cork cork.

But what you rarely get to see him do are some of the cleanest kicks I've ever seen. He can do all of em. He just doesn't like putting them in videos for his own reasons

Nah man, I saw flat footed leg lifts.

Ok Aso you and all your boring mime friends can suck a D :good:
Give me a target I can nail it with any of my kicks I have 10 yrs of TKD... but why does it matter I find kicks boring anyway...

[Cory]

goddammit...:dead:

[BrandonLenz]

/thread
'()
[o]

[jan]

Kicks are harder than twists...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I use kicks to build momentum for complicated twists!!!





Ok Aso you and all your boring mime friends can suck a D :good:
Give me a target I can nail it with any of my kicks I have 10 yrs of TKD... but why does it matter I find kicks boring anyway...

I think the difference here would be that a doublefull applies to double btwist applies to double aeriatwist applies to double cork. Pop 720 double, jacknife, cheat900 and sideswipe don't have nearly as much in common.

Of course kicks are going to be easier for you, if you've done 10 years of Tkd. I've only done 4-5 years of Tkd, and I find kicks easier any day (as well as missleg combos and axe stuff). I just recently learnt to twist, and it's no coincidence that once I started figuring out doublefull, I started to figure out double A B and C, as well as doubleleg twist. Hell, it even applies to pop spin kicks like 720 and 1080. I still didn't have a clue about cheat900 when I first knew 540s, or jacknife when I could pop jacknife.

Twisting just comes easier once you get the hang of it, compared to kicks.

[Skilzat85X]

As much as I think 540guy is being pretty ridiculous and pretentious, what apparently qualifies as "good kicks" these days from soomme the examples I've see is kinda scary.

[Kenji]

i troll this fourm ALOT, just looking and what not, and i have one thing to say, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO CLEAN KICKS? thats all.:eh:

nobody likes kicks anymore man, either that or they just suck so much that they work on other moves instead. its all about twists, corks and triples it seems :eh:

[Neo Dingsit.]

the thing i hate more than anything in this thread is people enforcing their opinion of what's "good" or what's "bad" on anyone else.

fuck it. let people think what they like even if they are an embarrassment to themselves.

if someone thinks that a cheat1080 is "clean" because someone's chucking their leg high in the air like a tard whilst looking at the floor then let them be impressed by that.

if someone thinks it's impressive to land a sloppy looking double btwist that pops off both feet and isn't even horizontal or a double cork that spins immediately all weak and floppy then let them think that too.

if they think they're cooler than everyone else because they can side kick with a huge frown on their face or feint not caring because they're skinny and can do a billion double twists in one combo then let them do whatever the hell they want.

if they're a fanboy and want scotty skelton/ben brown to repeatedly triple cork/vertical sidekick into their asshole then let them be that way too.

who cares about everyone doing the exact same thing and having the exact same interests?!

[jan]

Ahahaha.

I'd just like some more diversity.

[Kenji]

the thing i hate more than anything in this thread is people enforcing their opinion of what's "good" or what's "bad" on anyone else.

fuck it. let people think what they like even if they are an embarrassment to themselves.

if someone thinks that a cheat1080 is "clean" because someone's chucking their leg high in the air like a tard whilst looking at the floor then let them be impressed by that.

if someone thinks it's impressive to land a sloppy looking double btwist that pops off both feet and isn't even horizontal or a double cork that spins immediately all weak and floppy then let them think that too.

if they think they're cooler than everyone else because they can side kick with a huge frown on their face or feint not caring because they're skinny and can do a billion double twists in one combo then let them do whatever the hell they want.

if they're a fanboy and want scotty skelton/ben brown to repeatedly triple cork/vertical sidekick into their asshole then let them be that way too.

who cares about everyone doing the exact same thing and having the exact same interests?!

It's TT. Alpha male syndrome all over this shizzle. I dont think i've ever seen a post from anyone being reasonable over a debate. if 1 person attacks somebody, the rest go after him. That being said, we all should "grow the fuck up"

[Skilzat85X]

I agree with the general desire for diversity, but there's good diversity, and degraded diversity. I mean, in biology there is diversity and increasing diversity through genetic variations, and it's all is for the improvement for each organism. That's good diversity!
But in tricking, is the diversity leading to the benefit or the detriment? I think a little of both. Good in that there are more kinds of tricks, more combo possibilities, just lots and lots of tricks that people can use. But the whole "accept the new" mentality is seemingly branching off into the "accept degrading technique" mentality.

I've always been a huuuuge stickler about not forcing people to do kicks, or tearing them down for not doing "enough." But I will say, if you are going to do them, then you should do them to the specifications to which are generally set out for each of them. Not perfect (although striving for perfection helps progress), but just to the point where it can't really be judged harshly without someone being nitpicky.
Nobody has particularly said this yet in this thread, but I'm not sure why people feel that style and/or diversity would compromise technique. Never may this happen!

I don't think anyone should demand perfection of anyone else, or come and WHINE and try to call out honest trickers as has happened in this thread. But I also think one shouldn't make excuses. Excuses are just tools to justify incompetency. And people work hard to make their skills look good and clean, so when one makes excuses about them it sorta taints that, yeno? Hmm what a convoluted post, hopefully you guys get what I mean though haha.

[Rudy]

John vanek has double abcd and double cork cork.

But what you rarely get to see him do are some of the cleanest kicks I've ever seen. He can do all of em. He just doesn't like putting them in videos for his own reasons

Nah man, I saw flat footed leg lifts.

Kicks are harder than twists...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I use kicks to build momentum for complicated twists!!!





Ok Aso you and all your boring mime friends can suck a D :good:
Give me a target I can nail it with any of my kicks I have 10 yrs of TKD... but why does it matter I find kicks boring anyway...

.... god damnit...



RTG = Failure :agony:

[Cory]

for realz :sad:

[Skilzat85X]

Also, saying "kicks are harder than twists" or "twists are harder than kicks" is sorta like saying "being good at professional ice skating is harder than getting a degree in architecture."

[jan]

Of course. Except you need some twisting ability to be able to do kicks, whereas you need no kicking ability to do twists. E.g. 1080/540hook/cheat900double/feilong gyro vs cork/btwist/atwist/fulltwist. Ontop of that, you need strengthened legs and flexibility.

Ice skaters don't need an introduction in architecture to do their triple axels.

[Skilzat85X]

Yea true, I think you're looking a litttttle too much into/missing the point of my illustration hahaha. :smile:

[jan]

Yeah, I see what you mean of course, hahah. I was just pointing out some nitpick.

EDIT: As always.

[ninjohn22]

.... god damnit...

RTG = Failure :agony:

*off topic*
Sorry Rudy and Cory caught me at a pissy moment :ouch:
RTG was no failure!!!

[Cory]

at least we all had fun. :smile:

Edit: Rudy and I are editing the sampler tonight!

[Mumm-Ra!]

at least we all had fun. :smile:

Edit: Rudy and I are editing the sampler tonight!

you trick with mumm-ra tonight.

[Cory]

YES YES YES YES YES!!!!

[JiayoJames]

Personally, I just threw up 3 times.

[jiayo-chris]

HAHAYHAHAAHAHAHAHA AMN TAHTS OLOL!

[Bozzy]

HAHAYHAHAAHAHAHAHA AMN TAHTS OLOL!

No chris, your lol

[jiayo-chris]

No chris, your lol

I loff you man! <3

James was sick loads :D

[Bozzy]

I loff you man! <3

James was sick loads :D

Hahaha, oh squigle diggle that's mighty unfortunate old chap. How is he diddling now?

[jiayo-chris]

squiggely diggely!!!
I dont know man hes home now!


Oh by the way im sosrry if i offend anyone but 540guy by flaming him :smile:

[Bozzy]

squiggely diggely!!!
I dont know man hes home now!


Oh by the way im sosrry if i offend anyone but 540guy by flaming him :smile:

I'm pretty offended actually chris.

On the subject of 540s i did one today chris and my ankle felt like flubber

[JiayoJames]

Chris! Sorry I didn't go on MSN last night man, bed was too tempting.

[jiayo-chris]

Haha thats ok man :smile:

[JiayoJames]

What you up to today?

[jiayo-chris]

Not alot man :eh: i want to do something but im not sure what!

You?

[JiayoJames]

Meeting that random dude in a bit I think.

[Razo.]

I dont really mind people not doing kicks anymore i used to hate it, but if its not there style its not there style i just thought that as it was so much fun for me why isnt it for them.. What i hate is when some non-trickers who think they are trickers do vaults instead of kicks and still think its tricking.