Epic Tatoo

[WiKiD]

Anyone get a tatoo with the "epic" logo or something close to it? If so i'd like to see cause i was thinking about getting one. Or itrick... i dunno yet

[Alex Hunter]

tatoos are for life..do u really want that think about it

[Skilzat85X]

For the love of God don't do it.

[EmpRitz]

I would have to kill you

[Phil D]

LOL!

[tuareg]

"hey cool tattoo bro! so you do parkour right?"

[*L-V*]

"hey cool tattoo bro! so you do parkour right?"

Hahaha, I lol'ed so much!

tatoos are for life..do u really want that think about it

TRICKING TOO! :tongue:

[saunders]

Anyone get a tatoo with the "epic" logo or something close to it? If so i'd like to see cause i was thinking about getting one. Or itrick... i dunno yet

please dont....

[Rook]

do it.

[Pockets]

it may seem cool now that you are young but once you get old that will look lame...like someone said before me, a tatoo is for life, think well before doing this.

[andyzzle]

:bad:

[Cicero]

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[Khaos]

be a real man get it done in big letters across ur shoulders

[Cicero]

AHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA

[TrickinNINJA]

well if you didint like it you could use a cheese grader and then get a skin graph.

[Cory]

I've actually considered it as well.

If nothing else, it would serve as a reminder of all of the good memories I've had of the Epic Gathering, Sessions with Tuan and Jayel. Hell, all the MD guys. LK 08, and LK 09 I'm sure. Plus it looks really cool and would be a nice conversation starter if someone asked about it. Especially if you could still trick when they asked and you could show them some tricks. :good:

[Reim]

I too would love a tricking tattoo. I really think you're going down the wrong path for this tattoo. Really really wrong. If you don't understand why, then I donlt think you know enough about tricks to get the tat.

[AndyLeTerrible]

I think you should get the tattoo

[Cicero]

A tricking tattoo is all fine and good. But we're talking tattoing a brand of clothing on yourself. That's almost the same as getting a tattoo of the Nike sign.

[Jon P]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2514998242_92729032ec.jpg

[BrandonLenz]

A tricking tattoo is all fine and good. But we're talking tattoing a brand of clothing on yourself. That's almost the same as getting a tattoo of the Nike sign.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2514998242_92729032ec.jpg

LOL pwned

[Mumm-Ra!]

get a tattoo of Jans face on your ass.

that way you'll always remember TT.
:good:

[WiKiD]

lol all good points i wont do it, i was just wondering.

[ninjohn22]

"hey cool tattoo bro! so you do parkour right?"

HAHAHAHAHAhahahaHAHAHA!!!! Tuareg your my new favorite person!! :tongue:

[Cicero]

What the fuck man.

[andyzzle]

get a tattoo of Jans face on your ass.

that way you'll always remember TT.
:good:

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[Reim]

Now that that's settled..

..what would be a tasteful tricking tattoo?

I've had a very fresh idea to putting "tricking", "tricks" or "trickster" in a banner and keep it at that. A simple tattoo to reference something that when I started was a lot simpler, but now can be barely summed up in one word and can only be described by the one.

Or I'd just get a big XMA tattoo on my back.

[Phil D]

Or I'd just get a big XMA tattoo on my back.

Get this done as a portrait
http://www.xcaliburmartialarts.com/Karate%20Kids%202006.jpg

[Rook]

pink belt lol?

[Mumm-Ra!]

Get this done as a portrait
http://www.xcaliburmartialarts.com/Karate%20Kids%202006.jpg

since when does mike chat train power rangers?

[Zeff]

I've actually considered it as well.

If nothing else, it would serve as a reminder of all of the good memories I've had of the Epic Gathering, Sessions with Tuan and Jayel. Hell, all the MD guys. LK 08, and LK 09 I'm sure. Plus it looks really cool and would be a nice conversation starter if someone asked about it. Especially if you could still trick when they asked and you could show them some tricks. :good:

That's not a bad idea actually

[Neo Dingsit.]

LMFAO!

an epic logo?

wow.

[jan]

I would not want the word "Epic" with a halo branded on my body. First of all, it's a clothing company that's not owned by you. Second, it's the word "epic" with a halo. A tribal tattoo is better than that. The Chinese sign for "love" or "strength" is better than that.

[Neo Dingsit.]

this has to be the most hilariously stupid thing i've seen on TT.

[Mumm-Ra!]

A tribal tattoo is better than that. The Chinese sign for "love" or "strength" is better than that.

If you love looking like a complete tool.

[jan]

I think you missed my point.

[Mumm-Ra!]

i agree i would normally never endorse a clothing company, but EPIC would be a great reminder of gatherings and the such.

plus its much short than loopkicks.

[Neo Dingsit.]

i agree i would normally never endorse a clothing company, but EPIC would be a great reminder of gatherings and the such.

plus its much short than loopkicks.

gatherings in which people try and sell you shirts?

[Munks]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v36/91/74/500476080/n500476080_3874_9994.jpg

Friend got the parkour "freedom of movement" tatto, then about a month later quite coz he found tricking haha!!!

Mug!

[Cory]

gatherings in which people try and sell you shirts?

It's not like they're just showing up to make money. They're using the T-Shirt sales to hold gatherings and fund philanthropy projects. Epic hasn't even began to make the impact they will on this tricking community...


Plus I wouldn't get the EPIC logo, I'd get the world logo if anything

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/customavatars/avatar9244_3.gif

[Skilzat85X]

Would someone care to explain to me how tricking can be used as a means for philanthropy through such means, this is the first time I've heard of this endeavor and I'd like to know a little about the initiatives and their practicality.

[jan]

Or, in other words "wtf good does a tricking tattoo do for the community?"

About as much as a giant Dream Theater on your back does.

[Neo Dingsit.]

It's not like they're just showing up to make money. They're using the T-Shirt sales to hold gatherings and fund philanthropy projects. Epic hasn't even began to make the impact they will on this tricking community...


Plus I wouldn't get the EPIC logo, I'd get the world logo if anything

http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/customavatars/avatar9244_3.gif

bottom line is they're selling shirts for moneyz

jack shit is going to happen because of this

philanthropy is a bit rich don't you think? haha

[Badams]

go and get a TT tattoo!

[andyzzle]

go and get a TT tattoo!

haha, yeah do that!
and next month juji will be like:
"hey guys, remember the power coma i told you about? well i'm planning on redesigning and remodelling the site. we'll also have a new name for the whole thing, it's called <insert random name that has nothing to do with the word trickstutorials>."

haha, i would laugh my ass off :tongue:

[Alex Hunter]

getting a tatto that says itrick can defiently give people the wrong idea if they dont know about tricking. before u know it ppl are gonna ask to show u things, but not the tricks that ur used to..lmao

[tantau]

People will end up thinking you're a prostitute.

[Swartz]

This is why I'll never put a tattoo on my body.

[BABYRILLA]

bottom line is they're selling shirts for moneyz

jack shit is going to happen because of this


:bad:

[Neo Dingsit.]

:bad:

you disagree?

[EdLopez]

If you love looking like a complete tool.

haha hilarious

[Lukas]

They have airbrush tattoos that are semi-permanent. They last 2-3 years. I would recommend this. It will last a decently long time, and it will be badass, but won't get stretch and get stupid as you grow older.

[Mumm-Ra!]

i recommend getting the confederate flag on your lower back

looks real classy :good:

[Phil D]

tattoos are cool and you all know it!

[jan]

All tattoos are not cool.

[Neo Dingsit.]

haha you serious jan?

[jan]

I think I phrased that badly. I meant that every single tattoo in the universe isn't cool. A ton of them are, but a ton of them suck ass too.


All tattoos aren't cool, some are.

[Neo Dingsit.]

ahhhhh yes i see

i basically read it as no tattoos are cool

[Cory]

It should have been phrased "not all tattoos are cool"

[Mumm-Ra!]

i was still epic confused by jan until cory fixed him.

[Vaughnya]

you mean one like mine?

[Kyle McLean]

bottom line is they're selling shirts for moneyz

jack shit is going to happen because of this

philanthropy is a bit rich don't you think? haha

can u relax.

why does everyone on this forum just bitch, when someone is TRYING to help tricking. if you dont want it to get big. shut your mouth, no one wants to hear your god damn negativity.

and before you start spitting out shit about epic, maybe you should meet the man that started it. tuan is in it to try and help us. hes not in it for the money.

you act like since he made t-shirts that people want to wear and sells them that he is a terrible person. hes just another tricker, who had an idea and went with it. tuan has worked for to hard for all of you to just bitch. if you dont like it, dont buy there stuff, but just keep your mouth closed.

[Vaughnya]

can u relax.

why does everyone on this forum just bitch, when someone is TRYING to help tricking. if you dont want it to get big. shut your mouth, no one wants to hear your god damn negativity.

and before you start spitting out shit about epic, maybe you should meet the man that started it. tuan is in it to try and help us. hes not in it for the money.

you act like since he made t-shirts that people want to wear and sells them that he is a terrible person. hes just another tricker, who had an idea and went with it. tuan has worked for to hard for all of you to just bitch. if you dont like it, dont buy there stuff, but just keep your mouth closed.

I agree :good:

[Khaos]

I agree :good:

seconded!

i think what he is doing is a good thing, if i went to the epic tour i would def. buy a tshirt same for LK.

[jan]

I'm not saying he shouldn't get a tattoo. I just see the following scenario: "Hey grandson, I got a tattoo for this clothing company 40 years back, when I was a teen."

[Torre]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gpd6i7MxtoY/SBqObXLt_sI/AAAAAAAAATM/gUHL3EX4ObI/s320/Spider-Man-Tattoo.jpg

Awesomest tattoos in the universe.

Period.

[Mumm-Ra!]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gpd6i7MxtoY/SBqObXLt_sI/AAAAAAAAATM/gUHL3EX4ObI/s320/Spider-Man-Tattoo.jpg

Awesomest tattoos in the universe.

Period.

THIS.

[tuareg]

definitely not haha.

great god.

[Torre]

Keep your mouth shut, young man.

[Skilzat85X]

I don't know what you guys are complaining about. His mouth is shut. What you should logically be asking him is to stop moving his fingers.

[Neo Dingsit.]

can u relax.

why does everyone on this forum just bitch, when someone is TRYING to help tricking. if you dont want it to get big. shut your mouth, no one wants to hear your god damn negativity.

and before you start spitting out shit about epic, maybe you should meet the man that started it. tuan is in it to try and help us. hes not in it for the money.

you act like since he made t-shirts that people want to wear and sells them that he is a terrible person. hes just another tricker, who had an idea and went with it. tuan has worked for to hard for all of you to just bitch. if you dont like it, dont buy there stuff, but just keep your mouth closed.

i am relaxed.

what exactly am i "bitching" about? the fact that epic sells shirts? haha

what the hell has that got to do with tricking going big?

since when did i say anything about tuan?

YOU need to relax. this is some seriously dumb hyperdefensive shit. calm down.


since you're intent on jumping to his defence why don't you tell us what exactly tuan's doing for tricking that warrants you behaving like this?

[Tricia...]

seconded!


thirded!

But Epic started as a joint effort by JL, Tuan, and Trace. Just sayin... lol

[Cicero]

I can't wait to get an epic shirt :]

[Neo Dingsit.]

i don't get it anyway. it's a plain shirt with a brand name on it. why so excited? haha

it better be your parents' money you're spending on that shit

[Ryan Murray]

i don't get it anyway. it's a plain shirt with a brand name on it. why so excited? haha

it better be your parents' money you're spending on that shit

People are getting mad because you're judging people you've never met before, nor do you have any idea about their intentions. They haven't made any gigantic impacts on the community yet, but that's because it's still a young brand. Rome wasn't built in a day. What can you say you're doing for the community? Do you even trick?

You're completely allowed to question the company's validity or whatever, but just be aware that it's our friends, whom we trust, that you are challenging.

[Cicero]

Exactly, it's a shirt with a logo, except I know JL and Trace and I know they're good people. So if I'm gonna buy a tricking shirt it might as well be that.

[Tricia...]

Maybe people are just excited to show their love for tricking. Why not?

[Skilzat85X]

This is completely ridiculous.

[Rook]

i was still epic confused by jan until cory fixed him.

Hahaha me too, because:

All tattoos aren't cool, some are.

...is literally a contradiction. By saying "all" you immediately exclude, well, literally every tattoo from being cool. Following that up with a clarification of "some" undermines what you said at the beginning.

"Most" or "some" or "nearly all" would've been more suitable :good:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gpd6i7MxtoY/SBqObXLt_sI/AAAAAAAAATM/gUHL3EX4ObI/s320/Spider-Man-Tattoo.jpg

Awesomest tattoos in the universe.

Period.

This is one of those tattoos I'd just love to see someone else have, OR just have for a day. I would never, ever, ever want that for life.

I don't know what you guys are complaining about. His mouth is shut. What you should logically be asking him is to stop moving his fingers.

Ten points and a slice of pie for that spectacular comeback :trophy::razz:

[JiayoJames]

Too many people on TT are whiny bitches these days. Even I'm being a whiny bitch right now. It fucking sucks. We do the most awesome sport on the planet--stop complaining.

[Neo Dingsit.]

People are getting mad because you're judging people you've never met before, nor do you have any idea about their intentions. They haven't made any gigantic impacts on the community yet, but that's because it's still a young brand. Rome wasn't built in a day. What can you say you're doing for the community? Do you even trick?

You're completely allowed to question the company's validity or whatever, but just be aware that it's our friends, whom we trust, that you are challenging.

this is hilarious.

these guys are selling shirts. WHAT THE FUCK are they doing for the community by doing this? hahaha seriously? i challenge you to give me a decent answer. it's the dumbest shit i've ever seen. if you think i'm "judging them" then you're an idiot. put 2 and 2 together for fuck's sake. they sell shirts; big deal?

what have i done for the community?

first of all; fuck you.

of course i trick.

i host gatherings, i teach my friends, when approached by anyone i give them my full attention and explain to them what it is i do etc etc. i'd say i've had an impact on a lot of people over the years.

[Skilzat85X]

...is literally a contradiction. By saying "all" you immediately exclude, well, literally every tattoo from being cool. Following that up with a clarification of "some" undermines what you said at the beginning.

"Most" or "some" or "nearly all" would've been more suitable :good:

What he was trying to say was "not all tattoos are cool" haha. He just didn't word it that well in that particular post. :smile:

[Ryan Murray]

what have i done for the community?

first of all; fuck you.

That's an unsavory way to begin your answer to my question. But I apologize, I was a bit incendiary there. Keep doing what you're doing for tricks, I'm glad you help the people who want to do it too, but let the business people do business too. There are people who want to take tricks to new places and give new opportunities to the people who do it.

If you were making some money off of t-shirts, you wouldn't be so opposing, would you?

[Skilzat85X]

But he's not selling t-shirts haha. That's like saying "if you raped people too you wouldn't oppose raping so much" lol, not to compare t-shirts to raping but it's just the logic of trying to say "well if you choose to do this you wouldn't oppose this" is faulty. It's like saying "if you chose to do this, you wouldn't be against it", of course not ahaha.

Anyways, unfortunately am still not finding the logical progression from selling t-shirts/apparel to tricking going new better places. Could someone please give me a realistic picture of how this is going to happen?

[Neo Dingsit.]

if i were selling shirts i wouldn't claim to be "taking tricks to the next level" by doing so and using as an idiotic marketing ploy haha

listen man, i have nothing against the guys behind epic, but some of the claims in this thread are ridiculous. it's when people jump in getting all hyperdefensive and throwing insults and patronising shit around, offering no explanation whatsoever that problems arise.

i've got no patience for such people.

[Tricia...]

It's pretty simple. They want to promote tricking. It's like wearing a band shirt. You wear that shirt because you want to show that you promote them, as well as you love them. They're just trying to spread the word of tricking, whether they make a big impact or a small one.

[Neo Dingsit.]

it's nothing like wearing a band shirt hahaha

"EPIC"?

[Tricia...]

It says something about the tricking community on the shirt... lol

[Skilzat85X]

So what? I can walk around down town yelling "I love tricking," but if nobody knows what it is and my message bears no significance towards tricking, then there is no real promotion. Tricking is kicks flips and twists, combos skills and fun, samplers gatherings and training. I haven't seen anything about that echoed in any promotion of this, be it towards the community or towards the public, and frankly it's almost offensive. The only thing, so far, linking the selling of these shirts towards the activity of tricking is the text "apparel of the tricking community".

[Neo Dingsit.]

exactly.

i still don't get it.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_background_images/15339576/n15618867_37186207_3630535.jpg

[Skilzat85X]

That picture makes me wanna run outside and do Hyper Hooks!

[Neo Dingsit.]

it makes me want to slowly remove my sunglasses, turn my hat backwards, raise my eyebrows and buy a pretentious t-shirt in the hope of tricking "going big".

[Tricia...]

Well, people may see it and ask. Then tricking is spread that way. Or the label may be seen in many videos. And so tricking is just associated with epic. Or you may see someone on the street wearing an epic shirt and it's like "YOU TRICK TOO!??" Then you have new training buddies. There are many ways epic can affect trickers. It's definitely not doing absolutely nothing for community.

[Skilzat85X]

Yup a bunch of fantasy, hypothetical rationalizations just as expected haha. "Maybe this maybe that, maybe it'll work if this set of unrealistic circumstances plays out, then it will do something, yea!" You can't bs me.

[Cicero]

uhhh I think you guys are taking this a bit too seriously.

[BrandonLenz]

it makes me want to slowly remove my sunglasses, turn my hat backwards, raise my eyebrows and buy a pretentious t-shirt in the hope of tricking "going big".

you just dont like wearing clothing.

[Skilzat85X]

uhhh I think you guys are taking this a bit too seriously.
Oh please don't gimme that crap, especially after some of the flaming condescending rants directed at people who didn't support Epic earlier in this thread. Plus, even if this is being taken somewhat more serious than it should be which is true, who cares? That's such a cop out response haha, nobody has provided any real, logical reasons how this is going to "make tricking big" or "take it to the next level" or whatever else. All these bold claims are quite unfoundationally made, and then people have the audacity to try to demean others for not supporting this cause? It's ludicrous.
you just dont like wearing clothing.
You got that right baby! :wink:

[Rudy]

GOD DAMNIT!

the whole selling shirts thing is to raise money to put back into the community, the guys who are running epic aren't making a damn cent off what gets sold. They are trying to spread the word of tricking buy putting a shirt out and by just getting word out!

I don't get why everybody is bashing on epic..

[Skilzat85X]

And just because I know most people perceive things as extreme from their own defensive viewpoint, I might as well post this clarification now rather than later:

There's nothing wrong with selling Epic shirts or having a store, and the creators have Epic have put lots of work into the creation/marketing/organization of this apparel. And they rightly deserve the monetary compensation for their work from people buying the shirts. It's a brand marketed at trickers, so it's only right that it be advertised to them and such.
However, do not try to preach at me about the marketing of these shirts, which have so far proved themselves to be unrelated to Tricking the activity/sport, somehow making tricking "big", or improving the sport in any way shape or form. I don't want to hear rationalizations about "well maybe this could happen or that or well think about it this way." I will change my opinion when A) the shirts actually fulfill a representation of the sport TRICKING and not just a certain subset or clique in the community and B) when/if I do see actual beneficial results of the marketing of this product. Do not dare criticize me for not appreciating something that has not proven itself to have anything to do with the tricks that I and many others do.

And Rudy, that doesn't really mean anything if they aren't making money off this. They should be, they put the work into this product and marketed it so they deserve compensation. So just because you say they're not making any money off doesn't somehow make it all better haha, not that the brand/clothing is bad in itself, but you know what I mean.

[Rudy]

alright then we have to get rid of all the other hypothetical thoughts of

"what if this trick gets landed"

and "what if this trick can be landed"

basically cutting out all those hypothetical situations stops the progression of tricking where it is...

[Neo Dingsit.]

i agree with skilz, of course.

[Cicero]

Yup a bunch of fantasy, hypothetical rationalizations just as expected haha. "Maybe this maybe that, maybe it'll work if this set of unrealistic circumstances plays out, then it will do something, yea!" You can't bs me.

Skilzat, lately I get a feeling from you. You weren't like this before, but now it's like you've stepped on your high horse and are being genuinely condescending. It's like you cannot even entertain the posibility of another truth existing other than your own. Stop that, it's really really not cool.

I can definitely see Tricia's point. And while I can't assure that the founders of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking, it doesn't change the fact that it's helping the tricking community by bringing it together, much like a banner. Being in a gathering where you wear the same shirt as the others makes you feel like you belong. I don't care if it's socially imposed, or if it's right, or if it's wrong. It doesn't make it any less true.

The more uniting forces like this that we will have in tricking, the stronger of a sport it will be.


The shirts have a nice design that is easy to fit with most styles, they cost just as much as any other internet T-shirt, the delivery is swift and they are nice guys. I see no reason not to buy one of their shirts over any other.

[Neo Dingsit.]

The more uniting forces like this that we will have in tricking, the stronger of a sport it will be.

it's a brand name that doesn't associate whatsoever with anything trick related :eh:

"HEY GUYS LET'S ALL WEAR THE SAME CLOTHES"

as if that does shit for tricking

[Cicero]

it's a brand name that doesn't associate whatsoever with anything trick related :eh:

"HEY GUYS LET'S ALL WEAR THE SAME CLOTHES"

as if that does shit for tricking

Of course it does. It's called symbolism.

People have rallied under it for millenia.

[Neo Dingsit.]

that's pure pretentious bullshit, cicero.

[Cicero]

Your argument is far superior. I lose.

[Rudy]

Your argument is far superior. I lose.

I can only agree with Cicero on this, for I am to ignorant and slow to win an argument.

[BrandonLenz]

why does this argument exhist?

Think about it, you're arguing about clothing. its time for you women to grow up. No one is forcing anyone to wear epic T-shirts.
If you dont like what it stands for, or dont agree with the way it functions, dont support it. trash talking against it is pointless.
If you do like/identify with what they are trying to do, by all means show your support.

WHYYYYYYY!

[Neo Dingsit.]

because it's hilarious.

[BrandonLenz]

because it's hilarious.

I must admit i see no hilarity in this thread besides vaughnya's avatar being a pic of his massive lats with iTrick tattooed in a funky font accross his man shoulders.

[Bryanimay]

I have nothing to contribute to this thread .



:smile:

[BrandonLenz]

I have nothing to contribute to this thread .



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OH YEA, WELLZ I HAZ AN EPIC TATTOO ON MY STOMACH:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q148/eskimo_bucket/cowbutholetattoo.jpg

PRETTY EPIC RITE GUISE?

[Skilzat85X]

Skilzat, lately I get a feeling from you. You weren't like this before, but now it's like you've stepped on your high horse and are being genuinely condescending. It's like you cannot even entertain the posibility of another truth existing other than your own. Stop that, it's really really not cool.

I can entertain the possibility of it existing, obviously I've already CLEARLY laid out how there's nothing wrong with choosing to support Epic and why the creators deserve all the benefits from the work they've put into it. Why are you skirting over that, hmm? Just because I disagree with you and can actually strongly making a case for why you think I'm somehow disregarding all other viewpoints. Not really. You might as well not read any sort of opinion piece in general, because if they do strongly support their claims I guess that means they shut out all other opinions.

Obviously there's no excuse for being condescending, I'm not going to try to make excuses for slipping in that regard. But I stand by everything I've said so far, MOSTLY because nobody has even countered anything I've said. Case in point:
alright then we have to get rid of all the other hypothetical thoughts of

"what if this trick gets landed"

and "what if this trick can be landed"

basically cutting out all those hypothetical situations stops the progression of tricking where it is...
What does this have to do with anything Rudy ahaha?
That wasn't the point anyways, I said "fantasy, hypothetical" situations, implying a level of unrealisticness or wishful thinking.

Back to Cicero!

I can definitely see Tricia's point. And while I can't assure that the founders of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking, it doesn't change the fact that it's helping the tricking community by bringing it together, much like a banner. Being in a gathering where you wear the same shirt as the others makes you feel like you belong. I don't care if it's socially imposed, or if it's right, or if it's wrong. It doesn't make it any less true.

The more uniting forces like this that we will have in tricking, the stronger of a sport it will be.


The shirts have a nice design that is easy to fit with most styles, they cost just as much as any other internet T-shirt, the delivery is swift and they are nice guys. I see no reason not to buy one of their shirts over any other.
Hmm, I'm starting to think you're missing the point after reading this. I've said, and will say for the third time, there's nothing wrong with purchasing Epic t-shirts. If you think they're cool, then buy them.

And apparently, YOU'RE the one who believes that you "can't assure that the founders of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking". Where did this come from? I am confident that the creators of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking, nobody is doubting their motives. Even if they want to make money from these shirts, it is their right and what they deserve for creating this product and selling it.

Moving past that, just out of principle people should feel like they belong because they're at a tricking gathering and they do tricks ahaha. This isn't uniting tricking, tricking does that in itself. There's nothing wrong with Epic in and of itself, but don't make such claims.

It's like bananas. Is there anything wrong with bananas? No, they're wonderful. But what if someone says "bananas are uniting tricking" or "bananas represent the tricking community and will help it become great." And then I say, "no, that's ridiculous". Does this mean I now hate bananas? Does this mean I think bananas are evil?

However, let's look a little more into what you said about wearing the t-shirt at a gathering and fitting in, for this underlies my biggest "fear" about this: so now you're saying to fit in with other tricksters, they have to buy a shirt. So we have gone from the shirt being a nice comfy shirt to wear, to having to be a part of this symbol in order to feel accepted by other trickers. That is the problem, and I'm not even sure if that's what the Epic creators have intended, but now Cicero this line of thought of your creation is what people like me and Dave are really concerned about. When suddenly, you have to wear Epic to fit in. When, you're not a part of the community if you don't have Epic. When you can't be respected unless you support the Epic branding of tricking. THIS is the monster that we see being created by this mindset.
So no, Epic is not bad in itself, but it is that mindset which will turn it into something bad. And you may say "oh no skilz that won't happen we're cool we won't care whether or not people where it", but this directly contradicts the "unifying" and "fitting in" you used as it's defense. So what you're saying is, those who wear a brand of clothing will be the unified ones, they will be the tricking community, those who don't wear it, even just because that's not their taste in clothing, are now not a part of the in crowd of the tricking community.

You guys may not think this is what you're doing, but by all the defensive posts in the thread that's exactly what's happening. You're trying to take an innocent clothing brand, and make it the brand of tricking. You're making it so that now being a tricker isn't about doing kicks flips twists and combos, being a part of the community is now about wearing this brand.

And to stick the cherry on top of this, I also don't see why you guys are getting so butt hurt about the fact that I'm arguing against you lol. You seem to think that just because I try to make a (overly) strong case against what you're saying that I'm somehow angry, or that now I have something against you. Please, I usually argue the most firm against those I have the most respect for, since I know they should be able to take it for what it is and do the exact same. But perhaps that's not true.
But anyways, I am looking out for the best interests of the tricking community. Epic shouldn't be banned or ignored but the end users are the one's who have the potential and are on their way to turning it into a source of divisions within the community. I was completely apathetic about the clothing company, until I started seeing how now all the "cool kids" or people "in with the tricking community" had to wear Epic. You can say that's not true, and then I'll just quote a bunch of posts.

Just think critically about this, guys. It's unfortunate because I don't want to the creators of Epic to see this debate and feel they have to justify something, because (as far as I know) at the moment their not the ones who are turning their brand into a possibly destructive tool.

[Mumm-Ra!]

"After months of hard work and planning, EPIC WORLDWIDE is ready to reveal our hardwork! Finally, a company that supports tricking and other lifestyles

URBAN WEAR, GEARED TOWARD TRICKING

WHAT IS EPIC?

Epic is a clothing company that offers MORE than just a shirt. Not only does it combine style and comfort, but when you buy an Epic shirt, you are part of a community; which is one of many thing that Epic is about.


WHAT IS EPIC ABOUT?

Epic has a larger than life mentality. We at Epic are all about being humble, outgoing, passionate, and creative about our work. From the smallest sessions, to the biggest gatherings around the world. The ambition, the hype, the love; that's what Epic is about.

"EPIC. Eternally Participating In Craziness" - Jefferson Lewis III


WHO IS EPIC?

Epic is anyone thats ever had a dream or aspiration. It began with a term used by close friends, and since then, has grown into the heart and soul of trickers around the globe. Now, we bring you a community oriented company that has the means to bring similar lifestyles and people together, WORLDWIDE. Epic consists of 6 aspiring friends (each with similar goals and different qualities): Matt Drouin (the13thace), Jefferson Lewis III (jayel), Tuan Duong (wontwon), Tracy Nguyen (tracekillz), Peter Roulon-Miller (petebull), and Chris Devera. An Epic team is also in the process of being formed."



SYMBOLISM.

my god all of you are retarded.

[Mumm-Ra!]

I can entertain the possibility of it existing, obviously I've already CLEARLY laid out how there's nothing wrong with choosing to support Epic and why the creators deserve all the benefits from the work they've put into it. Why are you skirting over that, hmm? Just because I disagree with you and can actually strongly making a case for why you think I'm somehow disregarding all other viewpoints. Not really. You might as well not read any sort of opinion piece in general, because if they do strongly support their claims I guess that means they shut out all other opinions.

Obviously there's no excuse for being condescending, I'm not going to try to make excuses for slipping in that regard. But I stand by everything I've said so far, MOSTLY because nobody has even countered anything I've said. Case in point:

What does this have to do with anything Rudy ahaha?
That wasn't the point anyways, I said "fantasy, hypothetical" situations, implying a level of unrealisticness or wishful thinking.

Back to Cicero!

Hmm, I'm starting to think you're missing the point after reading this. I've said, and will say for the third time, there's nothing wrong with purchasing Epic t-shirts. If you think they're cool, then buy them.

And apparently, YOU'RE the one who believes that you "can't assure that the founders of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking". Where did this come from? I am confident that the creators of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking, nobody is doubting their motives. Even if they want to make money from these shirts, it is their right and what they deserve for creating this product and selling it.

Moving past that, just out of principle people should feel like they belong because they're at a tricking gathering and they do tricks ahaha. This isn't uniting tricking, tricking does that in itself. There's nothing wrong with Epic in and of itself, but don't make such claims.

It's like bananas. Is there anything wrong with bananas? No, they're wonderful. But what if someone says "bananas are uniting tricking" or "bananas represent the tricking community and will help it become great." And then I say, "no, that's ridiculous". Does this mean I now hate bananas? Does this mean I think bananas are evil?

However, let's look a little more into what you said about wearing the t-shirt at a gathering and fitting in, for this underlies my biggest "fear" about this: so now you're saying to fit in with other tricksters, they have to buy a shirt. So we have gone from the shirt being a nice comfy shirt to wear, to having to be a part of this symbol in order to feel accepted by other trickers. That is the problem, and I'm not even sure if that's what the Epic creators have intended, but now Cicero this line of thought of your creation is what people like me and Dave are really concerned about. When suddenly, you have to wear Epic to fit in. When, you're not a part of the community if you don't have Epic. When you can't be respected unless you support the Epic branding of tricking. THIS is the monster that we see being created by this mindset.
So no, Epic is not bad in itself, but it is that mindset which will turn it into something bad. And you may say "oh no skilz that won't happen we're cool we won't care whether or not people where it", but this directly contradicts the "unifying" and "fitting in" you used as it's defense. So what you're saying is, those who wear a brand of clothing will be the unified ones, they will be the tricking community, those who don't wear it, even just because that's not their taste in clothing, are now not a part of the in crowd of the tricking community.

You guys may not think this is what you're doing, but by all the defensive posts in the thread that's exactly what's happening. You're trying to take an innocent clothing brand, and make it the brand of tricking. You're making it so that now being a tricker isn't about doing kicks flips twists and combos, being a part of the community is now about wearing this brand.

And to stick the cherry on top of this, I also don't see why you guys are getting so butt hurt about the fact that I'm arguing against you lol. You seem to think that just because I try to make a (overly) strong case against what you're saying that I'm somehow angry, or that now I have something against you. Please, I usually argue the most firm against those I have the most respect for, since I know they should be able to take it for what it is and do the exact same. But perhaps that's not true.
But anyways, I am looking out for the best interests of the tricking community. Epic shouldn't be banned or ignored but the end users are the one's who have the potential and are on their way to turning it into a source of divisions within the community. I was completely apathetic about the clothing company, until I started seeing how now all the "cool kids" or people "in with the tricking community" had to wear Epic. You can say that's not true, and then I'll just quote a bunch of posts.

Just think critically about this, guys. It's unfortunate because I don't want to the creators of Epic to see this debate and feel they have to justify something, because (as far as I know) at the moment their not the ones who are turning their brand into a possibly destructive tool.

EPIC identifies with tricking just as much as the word 'tricking' identifies with the sport of Martial Arts Tricks. It's all symbolism. The word epic is symbolism of the aura and feeling people get while at tricking gatherings. [at least the people who made the shirt]
and no ones even coming closing to saying anything about YOU HAVE TO WEAR EPIC TO FIT IN.
there are many different clothing brands that identify with tricking. Such as a LK shirt or numerous others i've seen people make.
If you loved something, and could live off of solely doing that thing, why wouldnt you?

these guys love tricking. They created a product that identifies with their friends, and what they know. And what they know is tricking.
So hopefully for them, they can help support themselves off of this money, or put whatever they feel back into the community for gatherings or whatnot.

[Skilzat85X]

Thanks for not reading anything I said and completely missing the point. :good:

EDIT: Don't get me wrong what you're saying is true of course, but I'm not sure why you're using it to try to argue against me because it really has nothing to do with what I was saying.

[Skilzat85X]

Also, if anyone plans on replying they must watch this video first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU

[Cicero]

Hmm, I'm starting to think you're missing the point after reading this. I've said, and will say for the third time, there's nothing wrong with purchasing Epic t-shirts. If you think they're cool, then buy them.

And apparently, YOU'RE the one who believes that you "can't assure that the founders of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking". Where did this come from? I am confident that the creators of Epic have 100% benevolent intentions for tricking, nobody is doubting their motives. Even if they want to make money from these shirts, it is their right and what they deserve for creating this product and selling it.

That came from the simple fact that I cannot read people's minds and I can't guarantee 100% that Epic isn't actually a clan of ninja's bent on taking over the world. As neither can you. If I would have mentioned that Epic has good intentions I would have had people nitpicking at that fact.

Moving past that, just out of principle people should feel like they belong because they're at a tricking gathering and they do tricks ahaha. This isn't uniting tricking, tricking does that in itself. There's nothing wrong with Epic in and of itself, but don't make such claims.

It's like bananas. Is there anything wrong with bananas? No, they're wonderful. But what if someone says "bananas are uniting tricking" or "bananas represent the tricking community and will help it become great." And then I say, "no, that's ridiculous". Does this mean I now hate bananas? Does this mean I think bananas are evil?

That example is ridiculous. Of course you could say that, but it would suck. An Epic Tshirt can be worn, whereas a banana can only be stuck in one's ass.

I never said you did hate Epic or bananas for that matter. And you shouldn't think it's stupid.

Example: Fleur de Lis


However, let's look a little more into what you said about wearing the t-shirt at a gathering and fitting in, for this underlies my biggest "fear" about this: so now you're saying to fit in with other tricksters, they have to buy a shirt.

Wrong. I just said I wanna buy a shirt at one point in this thread. It's the person's choice.

If somebody is a social imprint and gives in to every fad that comes his way that's their own problem. However you have to realize that we're not perfect, because we're humans, so most likely you've been guilty of doing this at least a few times the past, just like everybody else.

It's just a Tshirt Skilz. It's not like major companies can DOPE OUT SHIZZZ MODZZZZ so we can get better at tricking. Probably, the only things that can be manufactured as usable goods in Tricking are Tshirts or Pants and maybe shoes. Unfortunately no action figures for us. The average person has enough money to clothe him/her self (and if not, well life isn't fair) and I don't think that the purchase of one 20$ Tshirt on the net is going to be such a hard decision on somebody's wallet. And if it is, then it's your responsability to prioritize.



So we have gone from the shirt being a nice comfy shirt to wear, to having to be a part of this symbol in order to feel accepted by other trickers. That is the problem, and I'm not even sure if that's what the Epic creators have intended, but now Cicero this line of thought of your creation is what people like me and Dave are really concerned about. When suddenly, you have to wear Epic to fit in. When, you're not a part of the community if you don't have Epic. When you can't be respected unless you support the Epic branding of tricking. THIS is the monster that we see being created by this mindset.

Please refrain from "classifying" my line of thought. You don't know as much as you think.

So no, Epic is not bad in itself, but it is that mindset which will turn it into something bad. And you may say "oh no skilz that won't happen we're cool we won't care whether or not people where it", but this directly contradicts the "unifying" and "fitting in" you used as it's defense. So what you're saying is, those who wear a brand of clothing will be the unified ones, they will be the tricking community, those who don't wear it, even just because that's not their taste in clothing, are now not a part of the in crowd of the tricking community.

You guys may not think this is what you're doing, but by all the defensive posts in the thread that's exactly what's happening. You're trying to take an innocent clothing brand, and make it the brand of tricking. You're making it so that now being a tricker isn't about doing kicks flips twists and combos, being a part of the community is now about wearing this brand.

And to stick the cherry on top of this, I also don't see why you guys are getting so butt hurt about the fact that I'm arguing against you lol. You seem to think that just because I try to make a (overly) strong case against what you're saying that I'm somehow angry, or that now I have something against you. Please, I usually argue the most firm against those I have the most respect for, since I know they should be able to take it for what it is and do the exact same. But perhaps that's not true.
But anyways, I am looking out for the best interests of the tricking community. Epic shouldn't be banned or ignored but the end users are the one's who have the potential and are on their way to turning it into a source of divisions within the community. I was completely apathetic about the clothing company, until I started seeing how now all the "cool kids" or people "in with the tricking community" had to wear Epic. You can say that's not true, and then I'll just quote a bunch of posts.

Just think critically about this, guys. It's unfortunate because I don't want to the creators of Epic to see this debate and feel they have to justify something, because (as far as I know) at the moment their not the ones who are turning their brand into a possibly destructive tool.

I think you need to get off your pedestal sunshine, and come sit with the rest of us. I didn't hear anyone complaining when people were getting Bilang Shirts to rep tricking.

People aren't perfect. That's life.

Also the reason I got "butthurt" and the only reason I took the time to write my prior post in the first place is this:

Yup a bunch of fantasy, hypothetical rationalizations just as expected haha. "Maybe this maybe that, maybe it'll work if this set of unrealistic circumstances plays out, then it will do something, yea!" You can't bs me.

Unfortunately Tricia's statement didn't warrant that kind of agressive response form you. You're becoming just like Trax and that's what gets to me. Just because you're arguing something doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it.

[Kyle McLean]

GOD DAMNIT!

the whole selling shirts thing is to raise money to put back into the community, the guys who are running epic aren't making a damn cent off what gets sold. They are trying to spread the word of tricking buy putting a shirt out and by just getting word out!

I don't get why everybody is bashing on epic..

r u and me the only ones that knew that epic was taking the profits to put towards a gathering, and if the clothing line really took off, it would be to where if you can fly to the epic gathering you dont need to bring a dime with you.

even if that never happens its an awesome idea.

ya its just a t-shirt you dumb fucks so get over it. you guys never fail to really really take something said(normally by me) and blow it up so fucking big.

www.sayrockepic.com


and neo what ever your name is, do you have any videos.

[Skilzat85X]

That came from the simple fact that I cannot read people's minds and I can't guarantee 100% that Epic isn't actually a clan of ninja's bent on taking over the world. As neither can you. If I would have mentioned that Epic has good intentions I would have had people nitpicking at that fact.
No you wouldn't have, because I mentioned it previously anyways.


That example is ridiculous. Of course you could say that, but it would suck. An Epic Tshirt can be worn, whereas a banana can only be stuck in one's ass.

I never said you did hate Epic or bananas for that matter. And you shouldn't think it's stupid.

I was illustrating a concept, not providing an example.


Wrong. I just said I wanna buy a shirt at one point in this thread. It's the person's choice.

If somebody is a social imprint and gives in to every fad that comes his way that's their own problem. However you have to realize that we're not perfect, because we're humans, so most likely you've been guilty of doing this at least a few times the past, just like everybody else.

Read:

Being in a gathering where you wear the same shirt as the others makes you feel like you belong. I don't care if it's socially imposed, or if it's right, or if it's wrong. It doesn't make it any less true.

Your word against yours.


It's just a Tshirt Skilz. It's not like major companies can DOPE OUT SHIZZZ MODZZZZ so we can get better at tricking. Probably, the only things that can be manufactured as usable goods in Tricking are Tshirts or Pants and maybe shoes. Unfortunately no action figures for us. The average person has enough money to clothe him/her self (and if not, well life isn't fair) and I don't think that the purchase of one 20$ Tshirt on the net is going to be such a hard decision on somebody's wallet. And if it is, then it's your responsability to prioritize.

Why are you talking about the money/products? Who purchases what, I already said what my issue is, why do you keep bringing this up? Are you actually reading what I'm saying or just skimming over a few words and thinking "oh skilz disagrees with me therefore he must disagree with everything i think ever."


Please refrain from "classifying" my line of thought. You don't know as much as you think.
Your line of thought is represented by you're saying. If you've typed a message, you must believe every single word you've typed, so why should we think that the line of thought you've clearly expressed isn't yours?


I think you need to get off your pedestal sunshine, and come sit with the rest of us. I didn't hear anyone complaining when people were getting Bilang Shirts to rep tricking.

Right, so first a personal attack and then something that isn't related to this issue at all. You haven't countered what I've said at all, however I'll tell you why people trusted Bilang. Because Bilang was a website, well established for years and themed around tricking. It was a martial arts tricking website, and then they produced t-shirts, directly advertising a site which was established as (at least then) a cornerstone not only of the tricking community, but of tricking videos and progress. Nobody made the claim that Bilang selling shirts would cause tricking to progress, to grow big, or that it made you fit in, which HAS been explicitly stated about Epic.

Wait, why are we talking about this? Didn't I explicitly say that there was nothing wrong with selling T-shirts? Didn't I clearly say that it's not the shirts but the attitude of basically branding tricking that is starting to arise here? It doesn't matter if these were shirts, socks, dvds, whether they were free or retail, it's the attitude. Stop bringing up the stupid shirts and sales, nobody gives a crap about that.

People aren't perfect. That's life.

What does this have to do with anything? Haha. People are perfect, but just because I don't expect perfection doesn't mean I support degradation, and that really is irrelevant here anyways.


Unfortunately Tricia's statement didn't warrant that kind of agressive response form you. You're becoming just like Trax and that's what gets to me. Just because you're arguing something doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it.
Don't even try to call that aggressive. Because what she said was fantastical, hypothetical rationalization, and I will not be bsed. Those are two statements, and they are both true. If you interpret them as condescending the problem exists only in your mind, because if you won't accept the clarification of my intentions then you're just purposefully delusional.

and neo what ever your name is, do you have any videos.
Even if he was a newbie tricker, his opinion wouldn't be any less valid since we're talking about t-shirts, haha. Although he's not a newbie tricker; I'm surprised nobody realizes that Neo is Dave Hill though haha.

r u and me the only ones that knew that epic was taking the profits to put towards a gathering, and if the clothing line really took off, it would be to where if you can fly to the epic gathering you dont need to bring a dime with you.

even if that never happens its an awesome idea.

I for one hope that does happen, because then Epic would really be doing a lot for tricking practically.

I dunno why you guys, by which I primarily mean Cicero, think that just because I'm arguing against a mentality that has been manifested because of Epic means that I'm somehow trying to attack it. :snooze:

[frankinstine]

Here here rudy and kyle! The whole pitch about epic sponsored gatherings sounds like the fucking way to go! Gatherings where your shit is covered? Whats better than that?

[Skilzat85X]

Yeno what even if this pervasive attitude I've mentioned is developing, oh well who cares as long as there's generally good people on all the sides of this issue.

I've come to this conclusion after glancing over these:
http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40887
http://www.trickstutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41682

Haha, good times. High fives all around gentlemen.

[Cicero]

Your whole argument is based around the premise that you think, I think you need a tricking T-shirt to feel accepted.

Having a tricking Tshirt makes you feel like you belong, but not having a tricking Tshirt doesn't necessarily make you feel like you don't.

Being in a gathering where you wear the same shirt as the others makes you feel like you belong. I don't care if it's socially imposed, or if it's right, or if it's wrong. It doesn't make it any less true.

Does not contradict

Wrong. I just said I wanna buy a shirt at one point in this thread. It's the person's choice.

Are you misinterpreting me on purpose?

To be honest Skilzat, after all this time, I'm seeing that you're the one missing the point.
By divinding my argument into smaller pieces we're just slipping away from the matter at hand.

Fuck it, this is too tiring i'll stop here.

[Skilzat85X]

Your whole argument is based around the premise that you think, I think you need a tricking T-shirt to feel accepted.

It has little to do with just you and nothing to do with needing one to be accepted right now. I just used you as an example since you said a statement which easily echoed a sentiment I've been noticing for a while now. I'm well aware you want to innocently buy your shirt haha.

Well, I just think you're not understanding the point I'm making at this point, and since I'm trying to reiterate it while we're both on two different pages obviously, you think I'm missing yours, when I guess yours just doesn't really bother me. Yadigg?

EDIT: Completely besides the point, but Cicero I've noticed that lately you've been posting a lot in tricking related subjects whereas you used to mostly just hang in the publicus. Does this mean we can be expecting some goodness from you soon? :wink:

[tuareg]

Keep your mouth shut, young man.

haha

[Cicero]

It has little to do with just you and nothing to do with needing one to be accepted right now. I just used you as an example since you said a statement which easily echoed a sentiment I've been noticing for a while now. I'm well aware you want to innocently buy your shirt haha.

Well, I just think you're not understanding the point I'm making at this point, and since I'm trying to reiterate it while we're both on two different pages obviously, you think I'm missing yours, when I guess yours just doesn't really bother me. Yadigg?

EDIT: Completely besides the point, but Cicero I've noticed that lately you've been posting a lot in tricking related subjects whereas you used to mostly just hang in the publicus. Does this mean we can be expecting some goodness from you soon? :wink:

Actually yes I've started tricking a lot more than I used to lately, but still not releasing anything yet.

[Torre]

This whole debate was fun to read.

[Reim]

I don't really want to be stepping on anyones toes, but honestly, I don't give a fuck, since I don't frequent the forum as much as I did before. To put it simply:

Neo, you are an ass. I don't respect you or what you have claimed to have done.

I could write a long winded post about why, but I don't care enough about you or your opinion to even try.

[Neo Dingsit.]

haha thanks reim.

[jan]

Suddenly I start to see why people create alternate accounts.


This thread is gay as sauce. If you wanna buy a shirt, buy a shirt. If you wanna get a tattoo, get a tattoo. There's no point in delving into the philosophical meaning of the word "epic" and the symbolism behind wearing a god damn t-shirt. Just get a fucking shirt or don't. I, for one, won't. I love Matt Drouin and I'd like to support his cause, but I just don't like the design. It's a word with a halo.

[Nick Fail]

The only thing I have to say, Is that epic is doing a good thing. Theres nothing wrong with what they're doing. If you dont agree, cool, move on, I really doubt they wanna hear about it from you. I really dont think your gonna change the majority of the community that support them either. Epic is trying to support the community, if your trying to make people stop buying something thats supporting the community then in my eyes, your trying to hurt the community. Which is most likely gonna be looked down upon.

If you agree, give them props. I think its good that they're trying to make a brand for tricking. "Vans" has nothing to do with skateboarding with the name but its a brand for skateboarding. Sports have brands. Welcome to the athletic world.

I dont understand what is driving this Neo guy. He's on a mission or something but I can tell you that the only thing he's done, is offend the people who are very serious about making tricking mainstream. So I hope you dont have intentions of going to the Epic Gathering or TXT or Hurricane gatherings, Cause thats probably not gonna be a warm welcome for you.

[Anima]

Maybe he doesn't want it to go mainstream? Maybe he sees it as more than just a sport, maybe he sees it as an art that shouldn't have brands plasterd all over it like most things.

[DYoo]

r u and me the only ones that knew that epic was taking the profits to put towards a gathering, and if the clothing line really took off, it would be to where if you can fly to the epic gathering you dont need to bring a dime with you.

even if that never happens its an awesome idea.

ya its just a t-shirt you dumb fucks so get over it. you guys never fail to really really take something said(normally by me) and blow it up so fucking big.

www.sayrockepic.com


and neo what ever your name is, do you have any videos.

i did kyle! :D tuan is seriously awesome.


it's nothing like wearing a band shirt hahaha

"EPIC"?

So what? I can walk around down town yelling "I love tricking," but if nobody knows what it is and my message bears no significance towards tricking, then there is no real promotion. Tricking is kicks flips and twists, combos skills and fun, samplers gatherings and training. I haven't seen anything about that echoed in any promotion of this, be it towards the community or towards the public, and frankly it's almost offensive. The only thing, so far, linking the selling of these shirts towards the activity of tricking is the text "apparel of the tricking community".

i do agree with you on this, because the normal public really doesnt give a crap on what you love or do. however, what i dont agree is how the only link is the "apparel of the tricking community" they've hosted a gathering, and i know what their plans are for next year (cant leak this sorry), they've already started, and when you hear what it is, im sure you'll be like wow that's cool ;D

That picture makes me wanna run outside and do Hyper Hooks!


but really, get a shirt if you want one, if you dont, woop de doo. you can go to the 5 for 10 and buy your shirts there, or you can go and buy from other company. just a thought though, people who've been bashing about how the logo, and/or shirt design doesnt "tell" anything about what tricks (for this example) are and that a logo should make someone want to do something (as sarcastic as your response was), tell me how a quicksilver shirt makes me want to surf? or how wearing nike's suddenly make me want to do sports? they dont...

http://www.masshysteriawerx.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/picture9x.png

if i wore that shirt, do you have any idea what the hell it means? probably not...and im sure that 99% of the people in this thread have no idea what it means, but when i, and others who know what it is, see it, we find it fucking hilarious.

so pretty much what i mean is, i found that argument so retarded.

my personal opinion on why we think that supporting epic is cool is the fact that supporting epic is like supporting a fellow tricker. they opened a company with a set goal, and hearing some of the short term goals was awesome, their heart is in the right place, and i cant wait to see what they have in store for everyone. they hosted a gathering already, and im sure they're going to host more with the money the bring in.

[saunders]

exactly.

i still don't get it.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitter_production/profile_background_images/15339576/n15618867_37186207_3630535.jpg

woaaa clean fit! :good:

[Totoro]

Tattooing a tshirt at your chest would be effin cool too

[BrandonLenz]

Mods need to ban the next person who
Mentions t shirts in this tattoo thread...

[Totoro]

http://www.fm-siebdruck.de/images/stories/textilien/t-shirt.jpg (http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=tshirt)

[Skilzat85X]

Thank you Dyoo and Nick, I heard what you're saying.

Although since my longest posts had little to do with "not supporting epic" or anything, I'd like to get the two of your opinions on this: do you feel that's it's possible that those who don't buy Epic could one day be sorta looked at as "outside" the community or at least he in crowd, or that those who don't invest in Epic clothing items could feel left out of the community or possibly even not respected as much? Because even if the clothing company in itself is doing good things, from some posts I've seen recently it seems like the end users are turning it into just that. Thoughts?

-----------

Now on the other hand, here's another thing: I can see in the future more opposition to this coming from those who don't want tricking to become mainstream like skateboarding, or surfing, or whatever. And on top of that, I'm positive that many, many people would be upset on anyone, no matter how good their intentions, trying to brand a sport like tricking in such a manner. Do to the international, subject, and free nature of tricking, I see how many would get upset at the fact that the sport they like is now being branded and now in a sense governed by a corporation. Do you guys think this won't be a problem really, or that it's basically inevitable and we'll just have to deal with it?
Thanks!

[Mumm-Ra!]

Thank you Dyoo and Nick, I heard what you're saying.

Although since my longest posts had little to do with "not supporting epic" or anything, I'd like to get the two of your opinions on this: do you feel that's it's possible that those who don't buy Epic could one day be sorta looked at as "outside" the community or at least he in crowd, or that those who don't invest in Epic clothing items could feel left out of the community or possibly even not respected as much? Because even if the clothing company in itself is doing good things, from some posts I've seen recently it seems like the end users are turning it into just that. Thoughts?



this wont happen, purely because epic isnt the ONLY tricking t-shirt brand.
That's the beauty of commercialism.
if people want to wear numerous of the different brands of tricking t-shirts, cool. A lot of people at gatherings and such would think its awesome. And brings us all closer together.
if people dont want to wear it, no one gives two shits.

[Cory]

Now on the other hand, here's another thing: I can see in the future more opposition to this coming from those who don't want tricking to become mainstream like skateboarding, or surfing, or whatever. And on top of that, I'm positive that many, many people would be upset on anyone, no matter how good their intentions, trying to brand a sport like tricking in such a manner. Do to the international, subject, and free nature of tricking, I see how many would get upset at the fact that the sport they like is now being branded and now in a sense governed by a corporation. Do you guys think this won't be a problem really, or that it's basically inevitable and we'll just have to deal with it?
Thanks!

But that's never going to happen. You're never going to run into the situation where you're tricking out in a field and someone come up and tells you you're not a real tricker because you're not wearing EPIC gear. That would just be stupid!

[Mumm-Ra!]

But that's never going to happen. You're never going to run into the situation where you're tricking out in a field and someone come up and tells you you're not a real tricker because you're not wearing EPIC gear. That would just be stupid!

HERE HERE

[Skilzat85X]

But that's never going to happen. You're never going to run into the situation where you're tricking out in a field and someone come up and tells you you're not a real tricker because you're not wearing EPIC gear. That would just be stupid!
Of course that situation won't happen, because you've just created an extreme, unrealistic hypothetical situation that doesn't have anything to do with the concept I was bringing out. I don't care about hypothetical scenarios, I'm talking about the broad view here. This is why I just asked Nick and Dyoo honestly, lol.

And both of you (Cory and Mumm-Ra) have also just contributed to the trick-branding, commercialistic viewpoint of a free, ungoverned sport; an attitude which many "purists" see as a threat to the essence of what tricking truly is. I'm not really that much of a purist about the spirit of tricking myself, but what say you to those who do feel that way?

[Anima]

What Would Juji Do?

[Skilzat85X]

I honestly know Juji's exact opinion of this haha.


WWJD!?!

[andyzzle]

you guys are stealing my joke!:ogre:

[Neo Dingsit.]

I dont understand what is driving this Neo guy. He's on a mission or something but I can tell you that the only thing he's done, is offend the people who are very serious about making tricking mainstream. So I hope you dont have intentions of going to the Epic Gathering or TXT or Hurricane gatherings, Cause thats probably not gonna be a warm welcome for you.

i may well of offended people and i'm not surprised in the slightest. i made it clear i have nothing against selling shirts or the guys behind it; i was making a point about people glorifying what they're doing in a way that simply isn't true.

the problem is people are too easily offended. they jump on comments like the ones i made and i'm not surprised in the slightest because i see it all the time. if anyone wants to take it personally then that's a shame. :bad:

i'm fine with what i said.

i'm not down with the hypocritical complaints about "negativity" and the way people handle that. that was the main reason for my comments whether you choose to understand that or not.

Maybe he doesn't want it to go mainstream? Maybe he sees it as more than just a sport, maybe he sees it as an art that shouldn't have brands plasterd all over it like most things.

no, that's not true actually. tricking going "mainstream" in some way would be great.

putting words into my mouth there. :wink:

I honestly know Juji's exact opinion of this haha.


WWJD!?!

yes i love juji haha

[Rook]

Also, if anyone plans on replying they must watch this video first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU

I HAVE THAT ALBUM

IT IS SO FUCKING GOOD

[DYoo]

Thank you Dyoo and Nick, I heard what you're saying.

Although since my longest posts had little to do with "not supporting epic" or anything, I'd like to get the two of your opinions on this: do you feel that's it's possible that those who don't buy Epic could one day be sorta looked at as "outside" the community or at least he in crowd, or that those who don't invest in Epic clothing items could feel left out of the community or possibly even not respected as much? Because even if the clothing company in itself is doing good things, from some posts I've seen recently it seems like the end users are turning it into just that. Thoughts?

-----------

Now on the other hand, here's another thing: I can see in the future more opposition to this coming from those who don't want tricking to become mainstream like skateboarding, or surfing, or whatever. And on top of that, I'm positive that many, many people would be upset on anyone, no matter how good their intentions, trying to brand a sport like tricking in such a manner. Do to the international, subject, and free nature of tricking, I see how many would get upset at the fact that the sport they like is now being branded and now in a sense governed by a corporation. Do you guys think this won't be a problem really, or that it's basically inevitable and we'll just have to deal with it?
Thanks!

I don't think people will turn against people who want to sport EPIC. It's just holding your own opinion, for an example, "oh i liked his sampler" "i didnt" then people get into a huge fight; seems like that's what's happening now.

however i will note your concern and say, the hypothetical the situation of all of us being brainwashed saying that EPIC is the only thing that will tricking together is pish posh.

ALL of us here can account to that. however, i will also say that as tricking gets more mainstream, there will be people who are like that, and that is one of the bigger reasons why i didnt want tricking to go mainstream.

and to address your 2nd question, i think that most of us have gotten the wrong idea what EPIC is.
I see how many would get upset at the fact that the sport they like is now being branded and now in a sense governed by a corporation. Do you guys think this won't be a problem really, or that it's basically inevitable and we'll just have to deal with it?
i dont think EPIC will be branding anything, if anything, Loopkicks is already 4 steps ahead on that, and i hear no one complaining.
(sorry if my response is kinda coarse, i have to get to school right now. haha)

But that's never going to happen. You're never going to run into the situation where you're tricking out in a field and someone come up and tells you you're not a real tricker because you're not wearing EPIC gear. That would just be stupid!

actually, you might. hahaha. trust me, people in this world are pretty retarded, and groupees/enthusiasts will "judge" you for not "being the attire" or "not sporting," i dont know, never say never, hahaha.

and yes i do agree that would be really stupid.

[Skilzat85X]

That was quite a great response. Thanks a lot for sharing, I see where you're coming from. :good:

[Nick Fail]

Thank you Dyoo and Nick, I heard what you're saying.

Although since my longest posts had little to do with "not supporting epic" or anything, I'd like to get the two of your opinions on this: do you feel that's it's possible that those who don't buy Epic could one day be sorta looked at as "outside" the community or at least he in crowd, or that those who don't invest in Epic clothing items could feel left out of the community or possibly even not respected as much? Because even if the clothing company in itself is doing good things, from some posts I've seen recently it seems like the end users are turning it into just that. Thoughts?

Stereotyping is gonna be inevitable. The tricking community is one of the most judgemental groups of people I've ever seen but it is what it is. I dont see them as being looked down upon for not buying. The whole idea is that they are supporting tricking in the way they see best fit. They are trying and I commend them for that. I will probably buy a shirt down the road when I go to an epic gathering. If someone is gonna look down upon someone who refuses to buy epic then thats silly but if the person is bashing epic then thats another story. I dont respect this neo guy much cause he's bashing something he's never obviously been a part of or knows much about. Trashing epic is like trashing any of John McLays new videos he's been putting out about expression. The epic guys are passionate about this, if they aren't hurting you, then let them be. They haven't done anything to anyone but try and help. Thats like killing a mockingbird. Whats the point?

Saying that epic is pointless is like saying a gathering shirt is pointless. So anyone whos gone to LK, TXT, MG, Bergen, FMS, ETC and bought a shirt is being stupid if thats the case. The gathering shirts are part of the Gathering, it helps pay for them and it helps unite the people that have gone with keeping the memories. I cant tell you how many times I've seen my GF walking around in my NYG pt 2 07 shirt and gone down memory lane. Epic is doing the same thing, on a different scale. They're giving you the ability to label yourself as a tricker. Not just demographically isolated like a gathering. They aren't doing a bad thing. Epic is doing something thats never been done. No matter what you do, how you do it, there will be people who hate on you or what your doing. It comes with it. It just makes them look like total ignorant, hot headed douschbags.

[Skilzat85X]

Ok good post but there are two little things I'd like to point out.

1) They're giving you the ability to label yourself as a tricker.
Eeeek see this is sorta what I was referring to. Doing tricks isn't enough to be labeled as a tricker now? That's sorta what I've been referring to, that being acknowledged as a real tricker now means you must wear the shirt, not actually do tricks hehe. Yeno?

2) I understand your support of Epic, but at the moment I wouldn't say it's equivalent to purchasing a gathering or team shirt. These teams are tricking teams, they were founded as tricking teams, all about a group of people doing tricks. The shirts are just a by-product. For Epic, the apparel and brand are the main product, and the tricking is the tentative by-product. To that end, I wouldn't say even if one chose to abuse Epic their hurting the community, because you can't abuse it if it hasn't happened yet. By that logic, I could say I have the best intentions and plans and all this stuff I'd like to do for the community, and anyone bashing me is bashing tricking. But that's not right. So I will believe the progress and the relation to the activity of tricking when I see it, so the tentative plans should be fulfilled before you expect people to respect it. It's like a politician making promises, they only deserve respect for those promises once the promises are fulfilled.

Also, I've said about 4 times explicitly before this isn't really about the concept of selling t-shirts, which isn't bad in itself.

[Mumm-Ra!]

Stereotyping is gonna be inevitable. The tricking community is one of the most judgemental groups of people I've ever seen but it is what it is. I dont see them as being looked down upon for not buying. The whole idea is that they are supporting tricking in the way they see best fit. They are trying and I commend them for that. I will probably buy a shirt down the road when I go to an epic gathering. If someone is gonna look down upon someone who refuses to buy epic then thats silly but if the person is bashing epic then thats another story. I dont respect this neo guy much cause he's bashing something he's never obviously been a part of or knows much about. Trashing epic is like trashing any of John McLays new videos he's been putting out about expression. The epic guys are passionate about this, if they aren't hurting you, then let them be. They haven't done anything to anyone but try and help. Thats like killing a mockingbird. Whats the point?

Saying that epic is pointless is like saying a gathering shirt is pointless. So anyone whos gone to LK, TXT, MG, Bergen, FMS, ETC and bought a shirt is being stupid if thats the case. The gathering shirts are part of the Gathering, it helps pay for them and it helps unite the people that have gone with keeping the memories. I cant tell you how many times I've seen my GF walking around in my NYG pt 2 07 shirt and gone down memory lane. Epic is doing the same thing, on a different scale. They're giving you the ability to label yourself as a tricker. Not just demographically isolated like a gathering. They aren't doing a bad thing. Epic is doing something thats never been done. No matter what you do, how you do it, there will be people who hate on you or what your doing. It comes with it. It just makes them look like total ignorant, hot headed douschbags.

:good:
/agree x 100

[Neo Dingsit.]

Stereotyping is gonna be inevitable. The tricking community is one of the most judgemental groups of people I've ever seen but it is what it is. I dont see them as being looked down upon for not buying. The whole idea is that they are supporting tricking in the way they see best fit. They are trying and I commend them for that. I will probably buy a shirt down the road when I go to an epic gathering. If someone is gonna look down upon someone who refuses to buy epic then thats silly but if the person is bashing epic then thats another story. I dont respect this neo guy much cause he's bashing something he's never obviously been a part of or knows much about. Trashing epic is like trashing any of John McLays new videos he's been putting out about expression. The epic guys are passionate about this, if they aren't hurting you, then let them be. They haven't done anything to anyone but try and help. Thats like killing a mockingbird. Whats the point?

trashing epic?

that's a bit out of context don't you think since it was clearly only the "taking tricking to the next level" thing that was bothering me :eh:

oh well, i'm done here.

[Cory]

To be honest, Skilz, I think that anything EPIC does for the tricking community (whether it helps the sport become more mainstream or not) is going to be a positive thing for the community. I know all of the guys involved in EPIC very well and that's why I support them so much. They're just trying to spread the love of tricking and use the funds from their sales to hold future events and whatnot which is great.

[DYoo]

That was quite a great response. Thanks a lot for sharing, I see where you're coming from. :good:

you're welcome.

To be honest, Skilz, I think that anything EPIC does for the tricking community (whether it helps the sport become more mainstream or not) is going to be a positive thing for the community. I know all of the guys involved in EPIC very well and that's why I support them so much. They're just trying to spread the love of tricking and use the funds from their sales to hold future events and whatnot which is great.

and yeah, oh and i dont think nick literally meant that we can label ourselves as trickers. i think he meant was more on the line of (correct me if im wrong) "because of epic, trickers can recognize each other through another way besides just getting together and tricking at a park, gym, or etc."

dont get me wrong, i think most importantly, tricking is tricking, and that is what gets everyone together. that i competely agree with you skilz. i dont think we need something to tell us that with this, tricking is better and we are going to be best of friends. i think it's just something more.

why have only one kind of pie? having multiple will make more people happier and it'll be easier for you "connect"

i mean, who knows? maybe someone you never knew in your community will have an EPIC shirt, and right then you can go, "oh snap! he's a tricker!" and you can spark up conversation, or invite him to trick with you or something. and that is the sense of "labeling" i think nick was trying to get at (again correct me if im wrong).

just because having an EPIC shirt doesnt make you a tricker, having an EPIC shirt more or less makes you a supporter of tricking.

ultimately, tricks is what makes you a tricker.

[petebull]

oh jesus, what have i done. please dont

[petebull]

it's a brand name that doesn't associate whatsoever with anything trick related

buy some flip your lid wear you FAGGOT!

....whoa that felt good

[Scott]

How did you silly people change this thread from simply saying "don't get that tattoo, that's retarded" to a deep philosophical debate?

Also the Epic shirts don't appeal to me because they aren't my style, but if someone else wants to wear one then that's lovely. Stop arguing over nothing.

TRICKINGZ IZ SERIOUS BUZINEZZ GUISE

[carney]

Its your choice man, i have been planning to get a tat for 3 years now but cant decide due to it being on me for life!

I wouldn't say don't get it... i mean after all there are people getting unicorns and dicks tatted so hell, go for it man haha!

[Neo Dingsit.]

buy some flip your lid wear you FAGGOT!

....whoa that felt good

FLIP YO LID SON!

i think pretty much everyone i've seen on here is happy to "trash" those guys haha. dang hypocrites.

[Skilzat85X]

Yea Pete that wasn't cool to trash another business like that, especially if you're one of the Epic founders. :bad:

[AndyLeTerrible]

theme song for thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep7W89I_V_g

[Mumm-Ra!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuNz7q746mg

[Nick Fail]

Cory, Skillz, Mr. Yoo,

I'm done here, Good play gentlemen.

[Cicero]

Skilz, in my opinion you're really just going on buts and ifs. It's blown way out of proportion. You're basically doing what you're accusing us of doing.

It's creating a problem where there isn't any, and along the way the vibe gets pretty negative in this thread, and more than likely, nothing positive will be accomplished.


I suggest you close it.

[Skilzat85X]

Yeno Cicero if you want me to respect your viewpoint, you could try to at least counter or directly refute something I'm actually saying, instead of going "well skilz i don't like the way you do this" or "i think you're just doing this." Lalala.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/2509581381_4b4230e2f5.jpg

I don't know why you even feel the need to justify your opinion, you keep arguing for something I'm not even talking about, so you really shouldn't need to argue for your support of Epic since that's not what's being addressed really.

[Cicero]

Actually support towards Epic was what was being adressed, until you came along and changed the subject saying "What if so and so don't feel accepted because they don't have Epic shirts" by skewing my main argument, making assumptions and coming out with this poor excuse for a conclusion. Yeno Skilz if you want me to respect your viewpoint, you could try to at least counter or directly refute something I'm actually saying.

[Skilzat85X]

Actually it was what was being adressed, until you came along and changed the subject saying "What if so and so don't feel accepted because of Epic" by skewing my main argument, making assumptions and coming out with this poor excuse for a conclusion.
As I've already said multiple times, this is hardly about your opinion alone, this is something I've been noticing for months now. Don't try to make it all about you, haha. As I've explicitly stated now for the millionth time, the topic we've been debating about has nothing to do with supporting Epic at this time, if you wish to discuss that start your own topic which specifically is addressing it. Obviously the subject of this topic has evolved and changed, so deal with it.
Yeno Skilz if you want me to respect your viewpoint, you could try to at least counter or directly refute something I'm actually saying.
Sorry about that, my few lengthy direct posts a few pages back must have been skipped over by you. Feel free to look a few pages back at all the direct refutations I've made, so then things can continue on. Thanks!

[jan]

Yeno Cicero if you want me to respect your viewpoint, you could try to at least counter or directly refute something I'm actually saying, instead of going "well skilz i don't like the way you do this" or "i think you're just doing this." Lalala.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/2509581381_4b4230e2f5.jpg

I don't know why you even feel the need to justify your opinion, you keep arguing for something I'm not even talking about, so you really shouldn't need to argue for your support of Epic since that's not what's being addressed really.

I see you like my pyramid, haha.

[Skilzat85X]

Hmm? I've used that pyramid for years.

I guess that just means great minds think alike. :wink:

[Cicero]

As I've already said multiple times, this is hardly about your opinion alone, this is something I've been noticing for months now. Don't try to make it all about you, haha. As I've explicitly stated now for the millionth time, the topic we've been debating about has nothing to do with supporting Epic at this time, if you wish to discuss that start your own topic which specifically is addressing it. Obviously the subject of this topic has evolved and changed, so deal with it.

Sorry about that, my few lengthy direct posts a few pages back must have been skipped over by you. Feel free to look a few pages back at all the direct refutations I've made, so then things can continue on. Thanks!

And it's not about your opinion alone either. At the moment you're the only one complaining. You took this topic on your own tangent. This is how I see those "few lengthy direct posts":

1 Tricia posts how Epic can help tricking

2 You start being skeptical and say she's bs-ing you

3 I post how Epic is an example of symbolism that can help and unite tricking

4 You decide to completely overlook that I've provided you with a way Epic can help and you instead focus on a hypothetical situation.

But that's not the point. The point is that you're unconvincable and no argument is ever good enough for you because you will always take it out of context (as you did before in those "few lengthy posts). Along the way you fail to realize that this is also bigger than "will people with no Epic feel left out". This is about the fact that for a hypothetical situation you're being very verbally agressive. Something that may or may not happen (and that can't be changed) is not worth getting people riled up over, as is evident in some of the posts.

However you said this is hardly about my opinion alone, and that it's something you've been noticing for months. What exactly are these things that you are noticing?

[frankinstine]

I have yet to see in this thread any arguments that have no validity. Let us all take all of the points made into consideration, let it all sink in and then shut up.:smile:lol

[Cicero]

I agree.

[Skilzat85X]

And it's not about your opinion alone either. At the moment you're the only one complaining. You took this topic on your own tangent. This is how I see those "few lengthy direct posts":

1 Tricia posts how Epic can help tricking

2 You start being skeptical and say she's bs-ing you

Why are you so obsessed with defending her haha? It's not like I even have anything against her, I told her she can't bs me with her fantastical unrealistic hypothetical scenarios. Period, end of discussion. You're really still on that? Lol.

Btw, even though I'm not sure why you've taken it as offensively as you are, yes obviously if I was being more considerate at the time I still wouldn't have phrased things in a much more tactful manner, and it's my mistake for not doing so.

3 I post how Epic is an example of symbolism that can help and unite tricking

4 You decide to completely overlook that I've provided you with a way Epic can help and you instead focus on a hypothetical situation.

Why would I talk about how Epic is symbolism if I don't disagree with that?
As far as uniting tricking, I've (at least) twice explained my exact viewpoint about that.
There is no hypothetical situation, I've directly quoted at least two examples of situations detailing the problem I already observe arising. Both in your post and one of Nick's. These may not reflect your exact attitudes, but I was taking them out of context, not to use them against either of you, but simply to use them as an example of what I've noticed, for illustrative purposes.

But that's not the point. The point is that you're unconvincable and no argument is ever good enough for you because you will always take it out of context (as you did before in those "few lengthy posts). Along the way you fail to realize that this is also bigger than "will people with no Epic feel left out".
I do realize that it is bigger than that, and I'm not talking about "people with no Epic will feel left out." You're ignoring what my actual viewpoint is and oversimplifying what I'm saying, trying to take things down to level you can manipulate.


However you said this is hardly about my opinion alone, and that it's something you've been noticing for months. What exactly are these things that you are noticing?
I have explicitly stated what I've been noticing. Tell you what, since I'm not as invested in this topic as many others seem, we can do a little exercise to make sure we understand each other. First, read over some of the posts where I say what a trend/line of thought I see developing that could lead to a larger problem, and then post exactly what you believe my opinion is. After you do that, I will simply clarify the parts of the opinion which are incorrect, and affirm those which are correct.

I am quite 'convincable', as I've already been convinced to see what Dyoo's and Nick's point of views are, and within just a few interchanges of posts, both those gentlemen and I have clarified and resolved our discrepancies. So if all of us could do it with each other, even people like me and Nick who have before had sharp disagreements, perhaps the inability to resolve this exists only in your mind?

[Cicero]

Okai then. In my opinion, you think that you've been noticing "things" that may make you believe that the introduction of Epic will separate tricksters on a trend level. Along the way you mention the fact that Epic was chosen to represent tricking on promises, and that shouldn't be the case (I agree with this). i think you took our points of view as illustrative purposes but I don't understand what it's supposed to illustrate. This is where I stopped understanding your argument. I don't see these "things" you've been noticing.

You say:

do you feel that's it's possible that those who don't buy Epic could one day be sorta looked at as "outside" the community or at least he in crowd, or that those who don't invest in Epic clothing items could feel left out of the community or possibly even not respected as much? Because even if the clothing company in itself is doing good things, from some posts I've seen recently it seems like the end users are turning it into just that. Thoughts?

If those are the things you've been "noticing" I for one have not seen ANYONE be left out or not respected as much in this community because they don't have Epic.

That in my opinion, is the hole in your argument. It's baseless.

Bottom line, here's where I stand:

I think what you mention could happen, but it's highly unlikely that something material as a shirt can separate people. Along the way, I feel that the simple mention of this hypothetical problem is creating discord in our relationship as tricksters.

[jan]

And to get back to the original topic: Get a tattoo if you want, but get a temporary one to begin with, in case you're regretting it in 3 years.

[frankinstine]

Gentleman, what does everyone not understand about shutting up? Hmm??














































:tongue:

[Skilzat85X]

Okai then. In my opinion, you think that you've been noticing "things" that may make you believe that the introduction of Epic will separate tricksters on a trend level.
Half right. It's not the introduction of Epic in itself though, it could be the introduction of anything, it's pure coincidence is at the moment the vice I see this manifesting through.
Along the way you mention the fact that Epic was chosen to represent tricking on promises, and that shouldn't be the case (I agree with this).
Interesting the thing you agree with is the one I didn't particular say, haha. :smile:

If those are the things you've been "noticing" I for one have not seen ANYONE be left out or not respected as much in this community because they don't have Epic.

I am noticing those things happening yet, I'm noticing the foundations for them develop. A few examples of what could be the precursor towards this:
Y'All betta get hyped off the new epic store. Forget all of the other store i used to go to. It's bout to be exclusive EPIC. Get on my Level Everyone.
They're giving you the ability to label yourself as a tricker.
It's opinions like this (not having anything to do with those who made them), coupled with the fact that many claim that Epic is going to be taking tricking to the next level, that make me feel that one day supporting the brand or not being involved somehow with it could lead to those who don't not being acknowledged as much as those who do. If tricking does go mainstream, which is one of Epic's goals, and if Epic is the one to take it there, don't you see how those who may not be into Epic would therefore be left out of the "limelight" so to speak, or that only those investing in the Brand in whatever way would be the only one's who get to get their names out there?

It is not hypothetical conjecture or speculation, it's an easily hypothesized progression of marketing in relation to tricking and the brand from what we've already observed, not only in the community but in the marketing of brands in relation to sports in general.


I think what you mention could happen, but it's highly unlikely that something material as a shirt can separate people.
Haha. Well, I'm not arguing about shirts as I've said four times at least already that it has nothing to do with selling of shirts. But even if I was, yes, something as material as a shirt can and will separate people. (But that's a whole different discussion)

[Cory]

Skilz...the point is that we're all tricksters here. There will NEVER be a day when someone is considered an outsider for not wearing a certain type of tricking brand. It just won't happen. Why? Because it would be fucking stupid. The tricking community is WAY too diverse to judge anyone based on their apparel. We all just want to trick. That's what we care about. The rest is irrelevant.

[frankinstine]

to trick and eat shit apparently.

[Cicero]

"Y'All betta get hyped off the new epic store. Forget all of the other store i used to go to. It's bout to be exclusive EPIC. Get on my Level Everyone. "

"They're giving you the ability to label yourself as a tricker."

Well some people will always be like that. However did you type the first one on your own or did somebody say it?

[Mumm-Ra!]

does anyone else thing that skilz should go back to his darth vader avatar?

[Skilzat85X]

Past the point of no return. No backward glances, all games of make believe are at an end.

[Mumm-Ra!]

...what?

[frankinstine]

What? You aren't going to be a nerd anymore?

[epic|worldwide]

There have been quite a lot of responses to things other than the topic of an individual wanting to get a tattoo with the Epic logo (appreciate the love if you support our efforts that much) :smile:

We'd like to keep this short. Responses have been negative and positive yes, and as a company we appreciate that because it helps us grow. There have been many questions in regards to what the efforts of Epic Worldwide are from the meaning of our logo to the message that we convey behind our company. That is what we have not yet communicated to you in order to understand us more

We'll be releasing a short video and letting the community know what we are about. Say/think what you want, but we will stay passionate in what we do, and in the end thats what matters most.

Take care.

Tuan
President
Epic Worldwide

[Neo Dingsit.]

that sounds good, epic guys. :good:

i'd like to hear it straight from the horse's mouth rather than middle men who seem to jump on everything....

[Skilzat85X]

Excellent! I'm looking forward to that. :good:

[AlienWebguy]

Or, in other words "wtf good does a tricking tattoo do for the community?"

About as much as a giant Dream Theater on your back does.

http://www.aliencreations.com/_test/tattoo2.jpg

You know you love it, don't be a dick.

[alpha7158]

At the moment all I see is epic trying to line its own pockets.

How is it contributing to the community other than imposing its brand that you have to pay for?

[Scott]

Ahahaha, I actually thought of you. You've contributed a lot through club540 etc, but your tattoo has about as much to do with it as an EPIC tattoo would.

[alpha7158]

At the moment all I see is epic trying to line its own pockets.

How is it contributing to the community other than imposing its brand that you have to pay for?

to epic:

What I mean by this is I would like a breakdown of how you actually help to fund gatherings through Tshirt sales. Surely you are collecting money from T-shirts from the same audience that will then be coming to the gatherings.

Wouldn't it be easier to just ask for a small contribution from everyone who is attending? EPIC would make a lot more sense if it was fundraising from other places to then benefit the community.

It's clear that there is a lot of controversy over the brand, its goals and what it stands for. To be getting all this negativity you must have done something wrong in your promotion. I've told you my opinions and you have heard everyone else's, it's up to you to make the right moves to set the brand in the right direction.

[alpha7158]

Thinking about it the society that I run at my uni (Trick Soc (http://www.tricksoc.co.uk)) is geared towards helping the community in a similar way to how I think you hope to. I like to think that our brand development has come along nicely and it was quickly accepted as being a good thing.

We help the community mainly by introducing new people to tricking, hosting gatherings and providing gym sessions at as cheap rates as possible. We are a charity as apposed to a business. Our clothing (when we ordered it) was subsidised by profits and we made a (planned) loss on them. Our senior members (e.g lynall and tkd_andy) devote their time to help out. Any profits we make are made with the intention of recycling them back into the Trick Soc Community.

[dpitlock]

Everyone in this thread needs to shut the fuck up.

[Mumm-Ra!]

Dan Pitlock ruins everything.

[AlienWebguy]

Ahahaha, I actually thought of you. You've contributed a lot through club540 etc, but your tattoo has about as much to do with it as an EPIC tattoo would.

I think a better comparison would be an Epic tattoo to a Fudoshin tattoo since they're both clothing lines for martial artists...

http://www.fudoshinwear.com/images/sts/tatoo1.jpg

[Skilzat85X]

Andy I'd imagine you're focusing a bit tooo much on the money in this situation. I could be wrong, but I don't think Epic is in business for all this money play. It seems they're in business at least with the intent to bring tricking closer to the mainstream, and the fact that it will rely on all these economics is the means, not the ends.

[alpha7158]

Andy I'd imagine you're focusing a bit tooo much on the money in this situation. I could be wrong, but I don't think Epic is in business for all this money play. It seems they're in business at least with the intent to bring tricking closer to the mainstream, and the fact that it will rely on all these economics is the means, not the ends.
I'm focusing on the fact that they need to majority to be on board for it to work and at the moment this isn't happening.

[tracekillz]

Thinking about it the society that I run at my uni (Trick Soc (http://www.tricksoc.co.uk)) is geared towards helping the community in a similar way to how I think you hope to. I like to think that our brand development has come along nicely and it was quickly accepted as being a good thing.

We help the community mainly by introducing new people to tricking, hosting gatherings and providing gym sessions at as cheap rates as possible. We are a charity as apposed to a business. Our clothing (when we ordered it) was subsidised by profits and we made a (planned) loss on them. Our senior members (e.g lynall and tkd_andy) devote their time to help out. Any profits we make are made with the intention of recycling them back into the Trick Soc Community.


i dont think you have any idea what epic is about, nor do i think you have any idea what we're in the process of doing. by the way..we don't make a dime.



I'm focusing on the fact that they need to majority to be on board for it to work and at the moment this isn't happening.

where do you get your numbers? how can you be so narrow-minded to think that tricks-tutorials is the only place that knows about epic? we have literally over a thousand people supporting us.


*edit**maybe that was kind of harsh..but seriously..support is great. i just think you need to research a bit more before you make claims like that.

p.s. neo is a douche

[alpha7158]

i dont think you have any idea what epic is about, nor do i think you have any idea what we're in the process of doing. by the way..we don't make a dime.





where do you get your numbers? how can you be so narrow-minded to think that tricks-tutorials is the only place that knows about epic? we have literally over a thousand people supporting us.
I'm trying to give posative constructive critasism here. It should be apreciated not taken offence to. It's not my fault that I seem to have the wrong idea, that's EPIC's job to promote.

[Kirkor]

NYEEET!

[tracekillz]

I'm trying to give posative constructive critasism here. It should be apreciated not taken offence to. It's not my fault that I seem to have the wrong idea, that's EPIC's job to promote.

i'm not taking offense. i'm purely stating my belief. i'm sorry if it came of that way..i just realized it sounded somewhat harsh. so i added a little footnote.

in any case, you're right. its our job to promote. i'd like to talk to you about it sometime one on one so i can better understand your position. but right now i gotta go. just PM me sometime.

<3

[Neo Dingsit.]

p.s. neo is a douche

oh one of the epic guys says i'm a douche?

you're full of shit man.

[tracekillz]

and you're full of nothing. you're an empty vessel thats plaguing our society with bad judgement and retarded half-assed thoughts. i begin to wonder if you were dropped on your head as a child.

i'm not going to even dignify you with more responses. go find something useful to do, because you're obviously wasting time with whatever you're doing right now.

[Neo Dingsit.]

if you actually provided an answer maybe there wouldn't be a problem.

by the sounds of it you're just a bunch of touchy, easily offended pricks.

[Tricia...]

haha Neo, you say that like your replies are real answers themselves.

[Kyle McLean]

neo man, who the fuck are you..

u are really starting alot of shit in the community lately.

[HaoTwo]

Neo is my hero.

[Neo Dingsit.]

how about who the fuck are you, kyle? talking to me as if you're entitled to know. not that it's been a secret.

people need to say what they actually think around here. wear their heart on their sleeve. if someone calls me a douche i'm gonna let them know what i think of that rather than take it like a bitch for popularity's sake.

nobody's given a straight answer to what EPIC is about specifically. it's a simple request as far as i can tell and i'd of been happy to be on good terms with everyone. all people have done is gotten their panties in a bunch over fucking nothing. people are laughing at this shit and you're trying to make me the scapegoat. yeah, i'm the only "asshole" who thinks this company is bullshit. no, kyle. start seeing things from someone else's perspective. you see me as a "hater" or whatever but truth is i don't hate anybody.

i'm done with this cliche.

[Cicero]

Reading this thread from the beginning I must say Neo didn't really stir up much. haha

[Neo Dingsit.]

thanks cicero. you're not the only one who noticed that. admittedly though my responses will be more abrasive if people insult me. for obvious reasons haha

it's just "taboo" to question the almighty EPIC apparently

[Skilzat85X]

Yea, this is actually sorta sad. Even if I will say Neo hasn't been tactful at all here, the first person who was part of the founding of Epic comes in here blatantly derogatorily calling names.
buy some flip your lid wear you FAGGOT!
Thankfully the second person (Tuan) was very nice concise and respectful all around when posting his clarification.
But then the third person who was a part of the founding of Epic once again resorts to childish personal ad hominem insults in retaliation.
and you're full of nothing. you're an empty vessel thats plaguing our society with bad judgement and retarded half-assed thoughts. i begin to wonder if you were dropped on your head as a child.

i'm not going to even dignify you with more responses. go find something useful to do, because you're obviously wasting time with whatever you're doing right now.

You guys are going to have to work on defending your brand without making yourselves look just as bad as the attitudes you condemn. I mean, Cicero and I had quite a sharp disagreement here but we never called each other names or resorted to petty insults. This is a little disappointing. :eh:

[AlienWebguy]

JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!!

[Mumm-Ra!]

Yea, this is actually sorta sad. Even if I will say Neo hasn't been tactful at all here, the first person who was part of the founding of Epic comes in here blatantly derogatorily calling names.

Thankfully the second person (Tuan) was very nice concise and respectful all around when posting his clarification.
But then the third person who was a part of the founding of Epic once again resorts to childish personal ad hominem insults in retaliation.


You guys are going to have to work on defending your brand without making yourselves look just as bad as the attitudes you condemn. I mean, Cicero and I had quite a sharp disagreement here but we never called each other names or resorted to petty insults. This is a little disappointing. :eh:


i think its perfectly fine that the guys are normal people who respond normally.
i think the world would be better if companies actually responded to stupidity instead of fearing it might hurt their image
:good:

[Skilzat85X]

The problem is when they respond like children. Obviously, Tuan (epic|worldwide) managed to respond decently, so if you want to be respected, especially in matters related to a business, you need to present yourself firmly but respectably. Or we could all act like teenagers and call each other names and see who can come up with the most macho insults.

[tracekillz]

you know, skilz..youre more than 100% correct.

anything i say ultimately is a representation of epic, regardless of whether i intend it to be or not. so shame on me for saying what was on my mind. i'm a better person than a business man. in the future, i'll do my best to maintain the expected poise and professionalism along with my counterpart (tuan).

now..as for the "douche" remark. you guys are taking it way more serious than it was ever intended to be. i did not say he was a douche on the count of me having nothing better to say..or anything for that matter. i genuinely just didnt care. it wasnt much effort to twiddle my little fingers on the keyboard for a split second to type that. his blatant disrespect towards ryan murray was reason enough for me to add that remark.


anyway..i could care less about my "rep" on tt cuz i personally think its nothing to cry over. however i DO care about the reputation of epic. whether you love it or hate it, i don't want us to be seen as petty and unprofessional. so for that, i apologize.

*edit*

and sorry to tuan for him having to deal with my personal remarks. we all had a vision when we started..and he had a bigger vision..and ours grew because of it.

i just think if you guys knew half the shit that he does in order to get these shirts to you..that you wouldn't be so judging. however that's not my place to speak.


like he said earlier, there will be a video coming out in the near future, explaining epic and hopefully answering all your questions.

[Neo Dingsit.]

trace, i received a message from tuan and he's clarified some things to me.

his blatant disrespect towards ryan murray was reason enough for me to add that remark.

so what? i've never met ryan and what exactly has he done to earn my respect before i saw his comment saying "do you even trick?" and "what have you done for the community?". how would you respond to something like that from someone you'd not met?

you say you don't care about "rep" on TT and as you can see i certainly don't care about mine. :good:

that said, i've been here long enough to know you're normally a reasonable guy. since i wasn't all that tactful i'm not surprised you called me a douche, so it was most probably my own fault. i apologise if i personally upset you.

[tracekillz]

well fuck..all the drama is gone..NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DOOOO?!?!?! -_____-

[petebull]

no comment for now

[tuareg]

i really appreciate everyone who came in here knowing they can get their point across without acting like children.

[Mumm-Ra!]

i really appreciate everyone who came in here knowing they can get their point across without acting like children.

MUMM-RA!

[willbo26]

Too many people on TT are whiny bitches these days. Even I'm being a whiny bitch right now. It fucking sucks. We do the most awesome sport on the planet--stop complaining.

i think this calls for mod changes, Towels ftw