Eating before running in the morning

[rubito]

Hey folks,I went running yesterday in the morning,so I woke up at 8 and had some cereals and I waited 1 hour to go out running.When I was running I felt that something was wrong in my stomach but I keep running at it went away.After running I did some abs and I felt that I had to go and poo.I went to the doctor and he says that everything is fine with me,its just that the digestions process is about compresions and by running I acelerated de process.So he sais that I should not eat before running.So what I am asking is,where do I get the energy to run if I don´t have breakfast?

[Jackamaideshwang]

Haha thats funny you went to the doctor for that. You get the energy from your own stores. If you're on a high carbohydrate diet you might find that a little more difficult, unless you have large stores of glycogen.

You could have a couple of tablespoons of oil, it won't have the same affect on your digestion as the fibre rich cereals and will give you some energy without weighing you down.
Coconut oil would probably be best as it's high in medium chain triglicerides, which assimilate into the cells without too much hassle.
You won't get the energy draining effects of blood glucose fluctuations when you start running too.
I'd do it on an empty stomach though, just have a bigger or later dinner the night before. Give your muscles a little more blood to work with.

[n3m3s1s]

Jackamaideshwang, learn to use the enter button:tongue:

I'd say grab a banana or something/do it on an empty stomach, then eat after.

[rubito]

Haha thats funny you went to the doctor for that. You get the energy from your own stores. If you're on a high carbohydrate diet you might find that a little more difficult, unless you have large stores of glycogen.

You could have a couple of tablespoons of oil, it won't have the same affect on your digestion as the fibre rich cereals and will give you some energy without weighing you down.
Coconut oil would probably be best as it's high in medium chain triglicerides, which assimilate into the cells without too much hassle.
You won't get the energy draining effects of blood glucose fluctuations when you start running too.
I'd do it on an empty stomach though, just have a bigger or later dinner the night before. Give your muscles a little more blood to work with.

But if I go with out eating,my body will get the energy from my proteins and loose body mas,correct me if I am wrong

[Khaos]

ummm i dont know shit about this but surely if you ate after running you would just regain any mass you lost but instead of fat stores if you ate the right stuff it would be muscular mass you put on to a certain extent.

[Jackamaideshwang]

But if I go with out eating,my body will get the energy from my proteins and loose body mas,correct me if I am wrong

That's the current way of thinking, and the jury isn't totally out on this one. Apparantly muscle is the most valuable energy store in your body, and we have adapted to conserving as much as possible.
In a fasted state, the body produces more growth hormone, and in combination with exercise, it still produces growth hormone! Growth hormone has a lipolytic affect and stimulates protein synthesis or the preservation of muscle. So it tells the body to use fat and and not muscle.

If you eat beforehand, you will increase insulin levels, which decreases growth hormone release, possibly increasing your use of muscle proteins and carbohydrates during exercise causing you to lose muscle and "hit the wall" faster.
Eating beforehand also diverts blood away from the muscles and into the GI tract, which may give you less oxygen and substrate removal. You could say the affect is mimimal if you wait an hour, but I think it does still affect you. I find I'm less sluggish and have faster recovery time doing resistance training when I'm fasted as opposed to when I eat beforehand (maybe because I want to get it over and done with to eat!).

And having protein after a resistance training workout has been associated with increased gains in muscle mass, but whether or not this translates to your style of running is debatable. It might still be a good idea though.

[rubito]

That's the current way of thinking, and the jury isn't totally out on this one. Apparantly muscle is the most valuable energy store in your body, and we have adapted to conserving as much as possible.
In a fasted state, the body produces more growth hormone, and in combination with exercise, it still produces growth hormone! Growth hormone has a lipolytic affect and stimulates protein synthesis or the preservation of muscle. So it tells the body to use fat and and not muscle.

If you eat beforehand, you will increase insulin levels, which decreases growth hormone release, possibly increasing your use of muscle proteins and carbohydrates during exercise causing you to lose muscle and "hit the wall" faster.
Eating beforehand also diverts blood away from the muscles and into the GI tract, which may give you less oxygen and substrate removal. You could say the affect is mimimal if you wait an hour, but I think it does still affect you. I find I'm less sluggish and have faster recovery time doing resistance training when I'm fasted as opposed to when I eat beforehand (maybe because I want to get it over and done with to eat!).

And having protein after a resistance training workout has been associated with increased gains in muscle mass, but whether or not this translates to your style of running is debatable. It might still be a good idea though.

What do you mean by "hit the wall" faster.?
So you are saying that it´s a good idea to run,and after that eat?
I am going to eat an apple o hour before running

[compleks]

Stop thinking so much, just go and run...

Sometimes I eat before training, sometimes I don't. It hardly makes any difference at all.

What are you running for anyway?

[Jackamaideshwang]

I mean that you run out of useable gycogen/glucose faster - then you hit the wall and can't keep running fast. Yep running then eating after seems like a good idea. Listen to your body though, if you can't do it (maybe you didn't eat much last night), have a little snack just to tide you over. Chances are you will be able to go without eating before in one or two mornings though. You could probably eat the apple half an hour before running and you'd be fine, fruit isn't too heavy on the system.
So pretty much do whatever you want, you can just satisfy different goals by doing it different ways.

[Tricia...]

I also find it funny that you went to the doctor for that. lol And I don't feel like reading Jackmaideshwangs posts. I also don't feel like explaining the science part I know about this. But he's probably right. haha

But anyways, I've eaten before track practice plenty of times. I never got upset stomachs from that. It was probably that you had milk in your cereal (if you did have milk in your cereal). I know never to have dairy before workouts.

[rubito]

I also find it funny that you went to the doctor for that. lol And I don't feel like reading Jackmaideshwangs posts. I also don't feel like explaining the science part I know about this. But he's probably right. haha

But anyways, I've eaten before track practice plenty of times. I never got upset stomachs from that. It was probably that you had milk in your cereal (if you did have milk in your cereal). I know never to have dairy before workouts.

I went to the doctor because that afternoon I felt really bad down there with gases and stuff,damm it xD.I do have milk whit my cereals,i eat the cereals smack.

[Tricia...]

I went to the doctor because that afternoon I felt really bad down there with gases and stuff,damm it xD.I do have milk whit my cereals,i eat the cereals smack.

I LOVE SMACKS! haha but umm... yeah. Iunno, stomach stuff, I kinda just let pass. Gas is usually never that serious. If it lasts more than 2 weeks, and a fever comes with it, and I can't get out of bed/function, that's when I go to the doctor. haha

[rubito]

well I will try the appel tomorrow morning and I will post how it went,thanks:)

[Dimitri-]

Fuck those cereals. If you are getting up that early, make an omellete or something, with a cup of coffee for the caffiene. (If you dont like coffee, who fkin cares, drink it anyway and get over it)

Wait about 30-40mins, then drink a lot of water. Then go run, you will feel fine & satiated. After youre done, wait a little bit and then eat some more.

[compleks]

You guys are soft.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I stopped eating weetbix in the morning and stopped getting gas and stomach pains in the afternoon. Mix of the gluten and lactose I think. I very rarely fart at all anymore.

[rubito]

Fuck those cereals. If you are getting up that early, make an omellete or something, with a cup of coffee for the caffiene. (If you dont like coffee, who fkin cares, drink it anyway and get over it)

Wait about 30-40mins, then drink a lot of water. Then go run, you will feel fine & satiated. After youre done, wait a little bit and then eat some more.
Do you want to see me dead ?Lol
If I have all of that I will feel full and running with a full stomach is bad,because all the blood is in the stomach working the digestion.
I just ate a appel,waiting a hour xD

[compleks]

Do you guys really have such sensitive stomachs?

[AndyLeTerrible]

ha ha. I can't really eat before I run every day. Mainly because I run through ridiculous un-level desolate fields and stuff. I'm constantly bobbing up and down trying to avoid holes in the ground, running through knee height chopped cornfields, jumping over fences etc. I could eat a little I guess, but I save that space for water or whateve

[rubito]

Just came back from running,i did pretty well,i felt something strange in my stomach but it disappeared and i did ok with my abs.
Now I am eating a sandwich and a banana shake.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Do you guys really have such sensitive stomachs?

Just aware of our digestive system.

And to Rubito, just lose the pre-workout meal, it doesn't seem to be doing anything but slow you down.

[Dimitri-]

Do you want to see me dead ?Lol
If I have all of that I will feel full and running with a full stomach is bad,because all the blood is in the stomach working the digestion.
I just ate a appel,waiting a hour xD

An E/W Omellete & some coffee will not make you full. And I also said to wait a bit for it to settle.

Drinking about a liter of water before AM running will cause your blood to become hypo-osmolaric, which will help push fluids into the muscle preventing muscle break down.

And yes I got that from the main site.

IMO running in the morning on little to no energy is fucking stupid.

[Jackamaideshwang]

I just ran for an hour this morning. My last meal was last night (it contained my whole day's food though). I was fine, full of energy, no gastrointenstinal distress. I haven't eaten afterwards, I'm still fine.
IMO running in the morning on little to no energy is fucking stupid.
Yes, that is fucking stupid, and theoretically impossible in all of us healthy people. The body has almost endless energy stores for our purposes already, and you don't need to be a fat fuck. Just develop your Beta oxidation and lipolysis pathways and you should be fine. Or carb load beforehand and get messed up by "not having any energy", aka no available energy because you have trouble using it.
I'm talking 'bout fats!

[Ashtar]

If you're having problems then run right away and have the cereal right after to replenish the energy from running.

Where do you get the energy? It should already be stored up in your muscles from last night's dinner. You don't really move around significantly enough in your sleep to deplete the muscle's glycogen.

Your liver glycogen could be a little low since your brain/immune system/repair processes work during the night. Due to that, you could just have some less fibrous faster-digesting sugars if you seriously can't run. You can't seem to digest cereal in an hour so that's a problem.

[rubito]

Yesterday I got up at 7:55 and the first thing I did is make 2 pieces of toast and eat it,so i waited 1 hour and a half to go running,it went pretty well.

[Ashtar]

I have never vomited toast.

[rubito]

I have never vomited toast.
Why should you?

[DeMaar]

Running on empty stomach burns more fat. so it's good.
otherwise your muscles had no food for 8 hours during sleep and want proteins^^

in conclusion: short run (30-60 minutes) and then eat a breakfast you'd never eaten before!

addition: dont forget to drink water before running!

[ShahrozS]

I eat a protein bar 15-20 minutes before I go running, followed by a glass of water.....seems to work out fine :smile:

[rubito]

Thanks DeMaar and ShahrozS,I will try it tomorroe

[Ashtar]

I eat a protein bar 15-20 minutes before I go running, followed by a glass of water.....seems to work out fine :smile:Wouldn't it take longer than half an hour to digest a protein bar though?