cottage cheese alternatives

[Ewasiuk]

I've tried everything in the guides and articles and I still can't stand the fucking taste. I know it's just me but how could I have such a distaste for something that healthy?

What are other foods that are as healthy as this shit but don't have rancid tastes?

[Neo Dingsit.]

"FUSSY EATERS ARE PATHETIC."

evolution didn't do it's job correctly!

[Ewasiuk]

"FUSSY EATERS ARE PATHETIC."

evolution didn't do it's job correctly!

Who are you again? And why should someone have to eat something they don't like? If I haven't aquired a taste for cottage cheese after months, then evolution must be saying "find something else."

[Neo Dingsit.]

just eat everything, you pussy.

[compleks]

Haha. It's not for everyone...

Milk is a decent substitute I guess.

[andyzzle]

i hate cheese too. try milk & tuna :good:

[Ewasiuk]

just eat everything, you pussy.

Clearly you haven't been here very long.

[Neo Dingsit.]

Clearly you haven't been here very long.

LOL.

[Jackamaideshwang]

Go coconut milk and tuna, you can add some chilli sauce in there too with maybe a few nuts. You get the fats, the protein and the awesome flavour and satiety which will last you a while - good sleepstack.

[Dimitri-]

I've tried everything in the guides and articles and I still can't stand the fucking taste. I know it's just me but how could I have such a distaste for something that healthy?

What are other foods that are as healthy as this shit but don't have rancid tastes?

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN.

Regular cottage cheese alone makes me want to fucking puke, I have to add fruit like strawberrys and blueberries in it. BUT when I get the premade "Cottage cheese w/ pineapple" I can eat that shit all day.

There is a MAJOR difference in taste, you should definitely try the one with pineapple.

[Less than Dan]

Well, try either milk, which is usually a 20% caesin 80% whey split in regards to functional protein, or you can try caesin protein powders.

[AndyLeTerrible]

it's not just you, cottage cheese is fucking awful.

[Shaedar]

Plain cottage cheese sucks a bit, few table spoons and I'm done. I mix my CC with fruit yogurt and sour cream. Sometimes I add fresh fruit like apples, peaches or such and oats. That way I can eat almost a whole can of it.

IMAGINATION PEOPLE.

[anfeyd]

I get the 'at least 4% milkfat' cottage cheese and it's amazing, I could eat it all day every day without regret.

[Tatsumaru]

''There is no other way.''

[Origional]

Today I tried cottage cheese with a banana and honey. :good:

[Less than Dan]

4% Milkfat cottage cheese plus strawberry jelly equates into a taste so good you'll need new pants after eating it.

[Origional]

I cant handle the taste of anything more than two percent.

Right now I am having 1% with banana, nuttella and flax seeds.

[ChukiDori]

God I love plain cottage cheese.

I go through 5 containers a week. Wal-mart has great value brand for like 1.70 a container!

My diet mainly consists of my morning shake of oats, peanutbutter, whey, milk, bannana. Multivitamin, Ramen noodles and cottage cheese throughout the day and cottage cheese, oats and fish oil before bed

[DraKe]

cottage cheese is so fucking sickening, glad we have something called kesam in Norway, which is similar in nutrition but tastes like yoghurt!

[Vegetable]

I don't understand how you guys can hate cottage cheese so much. Maybe it just tastes better here in Australia.

[Aiden Bloodaxe]

Casein powder?

[ChukiDori]

Maybe all u haters just keep buying rotten cottage cheese.

[Lobo]

Quark, milk protein concentrate.

[ChukiDori]

http://mario.lapam.mo.it/ds9/gifs/quark.jpg

I dont want Quarks milk protein concentrate thank you very much.

[Lobo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezsy3OSy1fU

[Ashtar]

Remember that one episode with the female who wore clothes? He should have hit that.

[Lobo]

I'd hit you Tyciol. Right in the fucking temples, repeatedly, with my fist.

[Ashtar]

Funny you chimed in Lobo, she also wore fake Lobes.

[DeMaar]

don't mix up cottage cheese with fruits @ night O.o
fast carbs before sleeping? very bad! you will gain the sugar to fat.
milk has to much carbs too in the evening, so choose other milkproducts where carbs are cut out:
mozzarella (light), camembert (light), feta (light)
"if you can take the light one, always choose the light one!" (Antoine)
or fish like: tuna (was mentioned), herring, sardines but plz not in oil!

[Townee]

Mmmm I love cottage cheese!! I usually mix it with grapes and lemon juice.

I could eat it plain if I really wanted :) cottage cheese is the sex

Oh and i like your insights DeMaar. Im going to start a food before sleeping thread in your honor :)

[Less than Dan]

don't mix up cottage cheese with fruits @ night O.o
fast carbs before sleeping? very bad! you will gain the sugar to fat.
milk has to much carbs too in the evening, so choose other milkproducts where carbs are cut out:
mozzarella (light), camembert (light), feta (light)
"if you can take the light one, always choose the light one!" (Antoine)
or fish like: tuna (was mentioned), herring, sardines but plz not in oil!

Fast carbs before bed are good, not at all bad.

There are two concepts that people with this particularly annoying misconception need to understand:

One, we still need cellular energy when we sleep, and our bodies don't just magically shut down entirely when we sleep; our bodies still burn calories at a 90% rate (if 100% is resting rate at consciousness). In an eight hour period, this creates hardly the difference.

Two, you NEED (fast) carbs, especially at night, to produce (and ingest, since fruits and vegetables carry a lot of) serotonin AND melotonin, hormones responsible for triggering and preparing the body for falling asleep, staying asleep, and regulating other processes (such as hunger, mood, anger) that your body prioritizes before normal sleep, causing you to either constantly wake up during the night or be unable to fall asleep much at all.

Please people, nothing in the body magically turns into fat unless it's a toxin or you have caloric surplus/a massive macronutrient surplus (which then causes the body to treat it as a toxin, namely with protein), or you're a holocaust survivor with a metabolism in the goddamn tank.

EDIT: Goddamnit, I'm not even going to go into the "plz not in oil" comment. Please please please please please stay in school.

[Dimitri-]

don't mix up cottage cheese with fruits @ night O.o
fast carbs before sleeping? very bad! you will gain the sugar to fat.
milk has to much carbs too in the evening, so choose other milkproducts where carbs are cut out:
mozzarella (light), camembert (light), feta (light)
"if you can take the light one, always choose the light one!" (Antoine)
or fish like: tuna (was mentioned), herring, sardines but plz not in oil!

Agreed with <Dan.

I think this is probably the first time in my life that I heard fruits are 'bad' for you.

And if you are worried about carbs from milk, something else needs to be changed in your diet.

Also, I just dont think this is very logical, instead of eating cottage cheese before bed, what am I going to make a mozzarella tuna sandwhich or something?? Lawl

[Matrimus]

Try using clotted Cream instead, its way better

[DeMaar]

Fast carbs before bed are good, not at all bad.

There are two concepts that people with this particularly annoying misconception need to understand:

One, we still need cellular energy when we sleep, and our bodies don't just magically shut down entirely when we sleep; our bodies still burn calories at a 90% rate (if 100% is resting rate at consciousness). In an eight hour period, this creates hardly the difference.

Two, you NEED (fast) carbs, especially at night, to produce (and ingest, since fruits and vegetables carry a lot of) serotonin AND melotonin, hormones responsible for triggering and preparing the body for falling asleep, staying asleep, and regulating other processes (such as hunger, mood, anger) that your body prioritizes before normal sleep, causing you to either constantly wake up during the night or be unable to fall asleep much at all.

Please people, nothing in the body magically turns into fat unless it's a toxin or you have caloric surplus/a massive macronutrient surplus (which then causes the body to treat it as a toxin, namely with protein), or you're a holocaust survivor with a metabolism in the goddamn tank.

EDIT: Goddamnit, I'm not even going to go into the "plz not in oil" comment. Please please please please please stay in school.


I fall asleep as well, either i am not eating fruits @ night.
if your can't sleep well without eating fruits before sleeping, you're doing something wrong man!
the energy your body don't need when you're dreaming, is stored. how does the body stores energy? hm.. i would say he built up fat! this isn't "magically", that's the human body.
the oil in the fish boxes is bad because most time it's cheap sunflower oil. if you want to slow the resorbtion of caseins, fats are good. so the idea to mix nuts with cottage cheese is brillant.


Agreed with <Dan.

I think this is probably the first time in my life that I heard fruits are 'bad' for you.

And if you are worried about carbs from milk, something else needs to be changed in your diet.

Also, I just dont think this is very logical, instead of eating cottage cheese before bed, what am I going to make a mozzarella tuna sandwhich or something?? Lawl

just listen to me: i didn't said fruits are bad! i just said that's the wrong time for fruits! few things are generally bad, it's only the time when you are allowed to eat it. 5 pertions fruits/vegetables per day is a good norm.

and a tuna sandwich has carbs... and what carbs are doing at night i must not mention! eat the tuna pure or with good native olive oil, or nuts, or whatever good fatsource.

[Ashtar]

nothing in the body magically turns into fat unless it's a toxin or you have caloric surplus/a massive macronutrient surplus (which then causes the body to treat it as a toxin, namely with protein)This sounds interesting, do you know where there's more info on this so I could add something to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoxicity ? Is this like, if there's too many amino acids in the blood from breaking down protein then it becomes fat? Doesn't it need to become sugar first before turning to fat? Excess sugar beyond what can get stored (hyperglycemia) gets peed out right? This is sort of confusing.

EDIT: Goddamnit, I'm not even going to go into the "plz not in oil" comment. Please please please please please stay in school.Is Sardine oil good? I have heard fish oils are good but usually you hear about stuff like cod liver, how does sardine compare to cod?

[Less than Dan]

I fall asleep as well, either i am not eating fruits @ night.
if your can't sleep well without eating fruits before sleeping, you're doing something wrong man!
the energy your body don't need when you're dreaming, is stored. how does the body stores energy? hm.. i would say he built up fat! this isn't "magically", that's the human body.
the oil in the fish boxes is bad because most time it's cheap sunflower oil. if you want to slow the resorbtion of caseins, fats are good. so the idea to mix nuts with cottage cheese is brillant.

For one, when did I ever say one NEEDS carbs in order to fall asleep? It encourages the sleep process to initiate. Even standing, that's beside the point; carbs encourage more chemcial reactions related to the resorative process of sleep to occur, as it has regulatory functions on serotonin/melatonin production. This allows your sleep to be deeper and more productive.
Two, if you're eating so much before bed that the TEN PERCENT calorie burning deficiency cannot handle, you're doing it horrifically wrong. The point of eating before bed is to bio-chemically enhance sleep through lessing the innate impact of muscular catabolism during sleep and triggering a hormone response to promote anabolism and promote deeper and more productive sleep, not to use for energy like we would during the day. Of course you're going to store surplus calories when you're doing nothing for eight hours, as your body will do the same thing while you're awake.

That's where the mis-conception lies: eating before bed is an entirely different process than eating during the day. You're supposed to eat for your mind before bed, not your stomach; you're eating light and for chemical precision before bed, and you're supposed to eat entire meals during the day for a broad range of chemical energy, co-factors, and micronutrients. Your body doesn't magically and darastically alter it's chemical and physiological reactions to macro-nutrients just because you're asleep.

[Less than Dan]

This sounds interesting, do you know where there's more info on this so I could add something to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoxicity ? Is this like, if there's too many amino acids in the blood from breaking down protein then it becomes fat? Doesn't it need to become sugar first before turning to fat? Excess sugar beyond what can get stored (hyperglycemia) gets peed out right? This is sort of confusing.

Is Sardine oil good? I have heard fish oils are good but usually you hear about stuff like cod liver, how does sardine compare to cod?

Well, when proteins are broken down into amino acids, and then sent to the kidney because the body can't immediately use it (we'll use glutamine as our example, as it's the most common), an enzyme is needed, and through the enzymatic reaction they create an ammonium group and a bi-carbonate group out of the amino acid. Given you have enough sodium in your body, your body can pass the ammonium group through the tubule cells of your kidney into the lumens, where it's eventually pissed out. However, when you take in too much protein, your body breaks down so much protein where it creates too many ammonium groups.

Now, two things happen. One, the kidneys can run out of it's sodium stores, and without sodium, the kidney cannot move such a large molecule through it's tubule cells into (eventually) the urinary tract. The ammonium is then converted into ammonia, which is extremely toxic to the body, but small enough to pass through the tubule cells into the urinary tract. Now, this is where the toxicity comes in; there is a concept called renal capacity, which works as such: the kidneys can store only so much of a chemical, and it can only release so much of a chemical into the urinary tract at once as well.

So, what happens when the kidneys have exhausted it's sodium stores from releasing ammonium into the urinary system, and then it converts it into ammonia to release it, but cannot dispose of the ammonia fast enough? You have a buildup of ammonia in the kidneys, and whatever isn't released into the lumen at that given point readily diffuses into the renal circulatory system and into the body's circulatory system because since it's so basic, it's naturally shuttled into somewhere where it's more acidic, as ammonia's pH is around 11, and blood pH is around 7.2-7.35.

Since you then have an extremely toxic chemical in your bloodstream running rampant, the body then takes the safest route it can and stores the chemical within a lipid, where it is stored as body fat. You also see this a lot in people with thyroid and adrenal gland conditions, where the body releases so much of a specific hormone that it becomes hazardous, and the body is forced to neutralize it by storing it as a lipid.

EDIT: On another note, this process is much better than the alternative, which occurs when the kidneys become damaged indirectly through exercise: when the sympathetic nervous system is engaged for long periods of time (heavy lifting, for example), the rapid and intense blood flow to the core (and into the kidneys) damages the capillaries, tubule cells, lumens, glomular apparatuses, and so on of the kidneys. This causes very large macronutrients (proteins, for example) passing through the renal circulatory system to literally be flushed out into the urinary system due to the damage. This condition is called proteinuria, which is quite serious and possible for heavy lifters; simply another point to encourage not overtraining, really.

EDIT II: Corrected blood pH vs. ammonia pH mixup. Thanks GravityJay!

[Neo Dingsit.]

fish in oil is probably the best thing i can think of.

i just ate a bowl of pasta and am now going to bed. goodnight gentlemen.

LTD. thank you.

[DeMaar]

Well, when proteins are broken down into amino acids, and then sent to the kidney because the body can't immediately use it (we'll use glutamine as our example, as it's the most common), an enzyme is needed, and through the enzymatic reaction they create an ammonium group and a bi-carbonate group out of the amino acid. Given you have enough sodium in your body, your body can pass the ammonium group through the tubule cells of your kidney into the lumens, where it's eventually pissed out. However, when you take in too much protein, your body breaks down so much protein where it creates too many ammonium groups.

Now, two things happen. One, the kidneys can run out of it's sodium stores, and without sodium, the kidney cannot move such a large molecule through it's tubule cells into (eventually) the urinary tract. The ammonium is then converted into ammonia, which is extremely toxic to the body, but small enough to pass through the tubule cells into the urinary tract. Now, this is where the toxicity comes in; there is a concept called renal capacity, which works as such: the kidneys can store only so much of a chemical, and it can only release so much of a chemical into the urinary tract at once as well.

So, what happens when the kidneys have exhausted it's sodium stores from releasing ammonium into the urinary system, and then it converts it into ammonia to release it, but cannot dispose of the ammonia fast enough? You have a buildup of ammonia in the kidneys, and whatever isn't released into the lumen at that given point readily diffuses into the renal circulatory system and into the body's circulatory system because since it's so acidic, it's naturally shuttled into somewhere where it's more basic, as ammonia's pH is around 3, and blood pH is around 7.2-7.35.

Since you then have an extremely toxic chemical in your bloodstream running rampant, the body then takes the safest route it can and stores the chemical within a lipid, where it is stored as body fat. You also see this a lot in people with thyroid and adrenal gland conditions, where the body releases so much of a specific hormone that it becomes hazardous, and the body is forced to neutralize it by storing it as a lipid.

EDIT: On another note, this process is much better than the alternative, which occurs when the kidneys become damaged indirectly through exercise: when the sympathetic nervous system is engaged for long periods of time (heavy lifting, for example), the rapid and intense blood flow to the core (and into the kidneys) damages the capillaries, tubule cells, lumens, glomular apparatuses, and so on of the kidneys. This causes very large macronutrients (proteins, for example) passing through the renal circulatory system to literally be flushed out into the urinary system due to the damage. This condition is called proteinuria, which is quite serious and possible for heavy lifters; simply another point to encourage not overtraining, really.

Well you know about what you're speaking, it pleases me!
To get such information, the only way is to discuss here, normal questions still dont work :wink:
You're all tuff guys like me :tongue:

[Less than Dan]

Well you know about what you're speaking, it pleases me!
To get such information, the only way is to discuss here, normal questions still dont work :wink:
You're all tuff guys like me :tongue:

No, I must apologize for the condescending tone I took. I really didn't mean to be a douche and deflect my frustration on you, I suppose I just get frustrated with the mis-conception itself. Forgive my tone, I truly meant no disrespect at all towards you.

[Ashtar]

Thanks for the explanation Dan, I didn't really know about the role sodium played in amino acid metabolism. This reminds me of this t-mag article about sodium and its importance for athletes:

http://www.tmuscle.com/img/photos/2008/08-023-diet/image003.jpg (http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/sodium_your_secret_weapon)

So basically, salted meat is good? :)

[Less than Dan]

Well, sodium is important as an electrolyte for neural activity, as a co/countertransport for regulating blood pH (thus preventing metabolic acidosis/alkalosis), as a buffer for keeping blood pH from dipping too low (sodium bi-carbonate) as well as a primary activator of fluid movement and diffusion of water between extracelluar fluids and intercellular fluids. Finally, salt is also a co-transport for shuttling glycogen into muscle cells! Not getting enough salt would cause devestating inverses to these homeostatic processes that our bodies rely on.

However, too much salt can have some not so great side effects:
- Formation of salt crystals in the blood, most commonly found in the kidneys. Very painful.
- Too much sodium and not enough potassium can leave a neuron in a state of tetnus, in which it cannot repolarize. This can lead a nerve cell into not working at all, as it's stuck in it's refactory period.
- Hypertension due to an aldosterone response coordinated by the kidneys and liver in order to accelerate sodium depletion.
- Over-production of sodium bi-carbonate leading to metabolic alkalosis (blood pH becomes too high), which leads to enzymes denaturing, blood cells dying, and proteins malfunctioning and unwrapping from it's 3D structure, rendering them unusable.
- Over-excitation of pace maker cells of the heart (SA-AV nodes), leading to increased heartbeat (and thus hypertension again).
- Dehydration due to constant and rapid movements of water out from inside cells (intercellular fluid) and into the surrounding space (extracellular fluid). This is also the reason why we have 'water bloating' with too much salt, giving us a 'fatty' kind of look without the fat.
- The list goes on.

So, it's important that we get enough sodium in our diet, but make sure you really do watch the intake. Although your kidneys and liver can handle some excess (urination and storage, respectively), it's best to monitor your sodium to the point where it aids glycogen shuttling in the morning and post workout as lifters, but not getting too much where it diverts extremely important water out of our cells.

[Gravityjay]

very good dan! apart from the part about Ammonia, its PH is around 11 so its highly alkaline(or basic depending on where you live/what you were taught to say)

But your rant was very informative to me, so thank you! Also helped to explain one of the reasons why my friend has had to have two kidney transplants so far (which is basically that the valves on his kidneys are too small so everything his kidney filters gets turned into a toxin)

[Less than Dan]

very good dan! apart from the part about Ammonia, its PH is around 11 so its highly alkaline(or basic depending on where you live/what you were taught to say)

But your rant was very informative to me, so thank you! Also helped to explain one of the reasons why my friend has had to have two kidney transplants so far (which is basically that the valves on his kidneys are too small so everything his kidney filters gets turned into a toxin)

Oh my, I'll edit that mis-information right away. It's been a very long time since I've studied renal physiology, I'm afraid. :( Thank you for catching that!

[[RozoN]]

I can't stand the taste of eggs. Eating cold whites alone makes me want to puke. I eat them anyways though.