How important is your Roundhouse? - Page 3

dlsso · Nov-06-09, 10:21 PM

Thanks, helps somewhat. I was wondering about specific body positions at different points in the kick. These questions basically:

Do you know if the hip should pull around at a constant pace or if you're supposed to snap the hip across the target? Should the hip shoulder knee remain in a straight line like tkd or is the knee supposed to come past the hip before striking the target? Do you know why they always drop the rear arm?

Krisis · Nov-08-09, 07:12 PM

like i said, the rotation comes from the power of the kick combined with not hitting a target. You are ideally meant to hit your target, so you're trained to throw the kick as if you ARE hitting a target, hence all the force is put into the kick as it approaches said target.
to answer your question though, even though it goes against the philosophy of the kick (ie. spinning instead of making contact), i guess you would pull your hip around at a constant pace, you will find with correct technique though, that the beginning of the kick will have alot more force/speed than the second half of the rotation until you get it %100 with practice.
There's no "snap" in a muay thai kick like in tkd as there is little to no chamber to "snap" out of, i guess as you lift your leg there is a slight chamber but it's more just the natural bend of your leg from your stance extending out to a straight leg as you kick, not an intentional chamber if you get what i mean.
Why do we drop the arm? I was thinking about this other day. On a low round kick you're not taught to drop the arm and there is absolutely no need to, keep it in guard position so you can block or strike during or after the kick.
If the kick is above waist height it's necessary to drop the arm to get it oput of the way and open up your torso more for proper execution. I tried actually throwing the arm out of the way as opposed to the normal movement, don't do this, it slows your forward momentum on the spin drastically. The kick still has force up till the target then all that force is lost due to the pullback created by the opposing force of the arm swinging back.
If you want more help i could make a demo video for you?
good luck with it

dlsso · Nov-08-09, 09:20 PM

Yes, I understand the reason for the follow through.

As I understand it the basic philosophy of the muay thai roundhouse is the same as the swing of a baseball bat. I know there won't be the pronounced snap of the leg, I was more thinking of snapping the hips. I don't know if baseball players snap the wrists, and I don't know if muay thai people snap the hips.

I guess I'm not sure how opening the torso would help the kick, but I guess I'll experiment with it a little.

Thanks a bunch for going over it with me!

Krisis · Nov-08-09, 09:32 PM

to fully understand the kick you need to hit things with it... alot... i started on boxing bags, then proper muay thai sand filled bags then went onto trees. i dont suggest trying trees unless you really want to have deadly shins. it takes time to condition yourself for that shit...time and pain and bruises and blood. and welts...and more pain...then nothing but deadly shins
hahaha

MeatMachine · Nov-09-09, 04:49 AM

I can somehow see this post being used to justify alot of newbies spinning around after their standard roundhouses due to having no control over the kick, and calling it a "muay thai" roundhouse : /

Krisis · Nov-09-09, 02:45 PM

haha true that, shame on them, they will learn with time

dlsso · Nov-09-09, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krisis

haha true that, shame on them, they will learn with time

Not necessarily =/

Nov-06-09, 10:21 PM	#21
dlsso The unpopular one User status: Offline Location: Southern WI Posts: 475	Thanks, helps somewhat. I was wondering about specific body positions at different points in the kick. These questions basically: Do you know if the hip should pull around at a constant pace or if you're supposed to snap the hip across the target? Should the hip shoulder knee remain in a straight line like tkd or is the knee supposed to come past the hip before striking the target? Do you know why they always drop the rear arm?

Nov-08-09, 07:12 PM	#22
Krisis Member User status: Offline Location: Wollongong Australia Posts: 214 Age: 26	like i said, the rotation comes from the power of the kick combined with not hitting a target. You are ideally meant to hit your target, so you're trained to throw the kick as if you ARE hitting a target, hence all the force is put into the kick as it approaches said target. to answer your question though, even though it goes against the philosophy of the kick (ie. spinning instead of making contact), i guess you would pull your hip around at a constant pace, you will find with correct technique though, that the beginning of the kick will have alot more force/speed than the second half of the rotation until you get it %100 with practice. There's no "snap" in a muay thai kick like in tkd as there is little to no chamber to "snap" out of, i guess as you lift your leg there is a slight chamber but it's more just the natural bend of your leg from your stance extending out to a straight leg as you kick, not an intentional chamber if you get what i mean. Why do we drop the arm? I was thinking about this other day. On a low round kick you're not taught to drop the arm and there is absolutely no need to, keep it in guard position so you can block or strike during or after the kick. If the kick is above waist height it's necessary to drop the arm to get it oput of the way and open up your torso more for proper execution. I tried actually throwing the arm out of the way as opposed to the normal movement, don't do this, it slows your forward momentum on the spin drastically. The kick still has force up till the target then all that force is lost due to the pullback created by the opposing force of the arm swinging back. If you want more help i could make a demo video for you? good luck with it

Nov-08-09, 09:20 PM	#23
dlsso The unpopular one User status: Offline Location: Southern WI Posts: 475	Yes, I understand the reason for the follow through. As I understand it the basic philosophy of the muay thai roundhouse is the same as the swing of a baseball bat. I know there won't be the pronounced snap of the leg, I was more thinking of snapping the hips. I don't know if baseball players snap the wrists, and I don't know if muay thai people snap the hips. I guess I'm not sure how opening the torso would help the kick, but I guess I'll experiment with it a little. Thanks a bunch for going over it with me!

Nov-08-09, 09:32 PM	#24
Krisis Member User status: Offline Location: Wollongong Australia Posts: 214 Age: 26	to fully understand the kick you need to hit things with it... alot... i started on boxing bags, then proper muay thai sand filled bags then went onto trees. i dont suggest trying trees unless you really want to have deadly shins. it takes time to condition yourself for that shit...time and pain and bruises and blood. and welts...and more pain...then nothing but deadly shins hahaha

Nov-09-09, 04:49 AM	#25
MeatMachine Tower of Power User status: Offline Location: Isle of Wight People Posts: 925 Age: 21	I can somehow see this post being used to justify alot of newbies spinning around after their standard roundhouses due to having no control over the kick, and calling it a "muay thai" roundhouse : /

Nov-09-09, 02:45 PM	#26
Krisis Member User status: Offline Location: Wollongong Australia Posts: 214 Age: 26	haha true that, shame on them, they will learn with time