Disagreement with "essential tricking"

Fin · May-20-07, 09:14 AM

In the article "essential tricking" juji mentioned that you should not trick unless you are as fresh as possible.

I know this statement makes sense; however I have tricked before when i was fatiged. As a result....

EVERYTHING! looked ugly and some of my moves I couldn't land, but I came out of it okay. Mainly becuase I told myself whenever I bailed, that I was fatigued and couldn't expect much.

So I believe that you can trick fatigued, just make sure you know this and are not pushing yourself too hard.

But yeah, other than that this a great site; Rock On!

feel free to comment

TKD Tim · May-20-07, 09:39 AM

Right but...you just proved his point. Being fatigued causes you to do things sloppily, and increases the rate of bails and crashes. This can lead you to form a habit of sloppy techniques which will carry over into your fresh tricking, as well as making you more likely to get injured from doing something you normally would be able to do.

Matt K · May-20-07, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Fin

In the article "essential tricking" juji mentioned that you should not trick unless you are as fresh as possible.

I know this statement makes sense; however I have tricked before when i was fatiged. As a result....

EVERYTHING! looked ugly and some of my moves I couldn't land, but I came out of it okay. Mainly becuase I told myself whenever I bailed, that I was fatigued and couldn't expect much.

So I believe that you can trick fatigued, just make sure you know this and are not pushing yourself too hard.

But yeah, other than that this a great site; Rock On!

feel free to comment

That's the point of not tricking while fatigued. Everything looks like shit and you can barely land anything.

Fin · May-20-07, 09:57 AM

I agree with the points above. However I still derive enjoyment from these sessions, and I don't take what happens in those sessions seriously (these happen about once a month).

You shouldn't stop enjoying tricking just becuase you are tired. Rest up if you are planning a good session : and in turn allow yourself to go out into a field to trick, just becuase you felt like it!

In my mind it is those "on the fly" situations which give tricking its rock n roll attitude.

Anima · May-20-07, 10:02 AM

I see your point, I just dont think you should do it very often. Also, dont bother trying new tricks when tired, because of your muscle memory ect.

Fin · May-20-07, 10:06 AM

YES! subtle sorrow! YES!

Subtle sorrow you understood me, you shouldn't do it often, but it is OK to do it occasionaly.

as juji says "cheat to win"

**Skilzat85X** · May-20-07, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fin

I agree with the points above. However I still derive enjoyment from these sessions, and I don't take what happens in those sessions seriously (these happen about once a month).

You shouldn't stop enjoying tricking just becuase you are tired.

You can get enjoyment...ya.

But if you're fatigued everything is harder and it's harder to have fun than if you're fresh out the kitchen and ready to bust.

His point was, that fatigued tricks are not only ugly but they'll probably hurt you in the long run. Why? Because they'll screw with your muscle memory of the tricks so the more you do them fatigued, the more your body is going to want to do them that way.
Not to mention the increased chance of injury.

Fin · May-20-07, 10:14 AM

hmm I see, but muscle memory I find is a load of bull. I did aerials 500 times each one wrong, then tweaked my technique and have landed them consistently ever since.

Muscle memory only applies if your not thinking about what your doing.

but yeah if you don't push yourself to hard; risk of injury (at my level anyway) is very low.

TKD Tim · May-20-07, 10:26 AM

I just went outside and did a gainer-to-faceplant because I'm fatigued. It was not enjoyable. I decided to end the session.

This is true too, I really did.

**Skilzat85X** · May-20-07, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fin

hmm I see, but muscle memory I find is a load of bull. I did aerials 500 times each one wrong, then tweaked my technique and have landed them consistently ever since.

Muscle memory only applies if your not thinking about what your doing.

That's the whole point of muscle memory: so you can do things without thinking about them that much.

And you may not realize this but lots of times muscle memory is what keeps you from doing stuff right, you're so used to doing things one way that you don't realize that you keep doing certain things. But that can be overcame.

The thing is, tricking while fatigued is just not a good idea. If you want to, more power to you. It's not like Juji said it's a rule, just a guideline.

May-20-07, 09:14 AM	#1
Fin Sad duck User status: Offline Location: Inverness (scotland) Posts: 442 Age: 19	Disagreement with "essential tricking" In the article "essential tricking" juji mentioned that you should not trick unless you are as fresh as possible. I know this statement makes sense; however I have tricked before when i was fatiged. As a result.... EVERYTHING! looked ugly and some of my moves I couldn't land, but I came out of it okay. Mainly becuase I told myself whenever I bailed, that I was fatigued and couldn't expect much. So I believe that you can trick fatigued, just make sure you know this and are not pushing yourself too hard. But yeah, other than that this a great site; Rock On! feel free to comment

May-20-07, 09:39 AM	#2
TKD Tim Needing Avatar User status: Offline Location: Florida Posts: 764 Age: 18	Right but...you just proved his point. Being fatigued causes you to do things sloppily, and increases the rate of bails and crashes. This can lead you to form a habit of sloppy techniques which will carry over into your fresh tricking, as well as making you more likely to get injured from doing something you normally would be able to do.

May-20-07, 09:57 AM	#4
Fin Sad duck User status: Offline Location: Inverness (scotland) Posts: 442 Age: 19	I agree with the points above. However I still derive enjoyment from these sessions, and I don't take what happens in those sessions seriously (these happen about once a month). You shouldn't stop enjoying tricking just becuase you are tired. Rest up if you are planning a good session : and in turn allow yourself to go out into a field to trick, just becuase you felt like it! In my mind it is those "on the fly" situations which give tricking its rock n roll attitude.

May-20-07, 10:02 AM	#5
Anima Mr. Pink User status: Offline Location: England Posts: 3,322 Age: 17	I see your point, I just dont think you should do it very often. Also, dont bother trying new tricks when tired, because of your muscle memory ect.

May-20-07, 10:06 AM	#6
Fin Sad duck User status: Offline Location: Inverness (scotland) Posts: 442 Age: 19	YES! subtle sorrow! YES! Subtle sorrow you understood me, you shouldn't do it often, but it is OK to do it occasionaly. as juji says "cheat to win"

May-20-07, 10:14 AM	#8
Fin Sad duck User status: Offline Location: Inverness (scotland) Posts: 442 Age: 19	hmm I see, but muscle memory I find is a load of bull. I did aerials 500 times each one wrong, then tweaked my technique and have landed them consistently ever since. Muscle memory only applies if your not thinking about what your doing. but yeah if you don't push yourself to hard; risk of injury (at my level anyway) is very low.

May-20-07, 10:26 AM	#9
TKD Tim Needing Avatar User status: Offline Location: Florida Posts: 764 Age: 18	I just went outside and did a gainer-to-faceplant because I'm fatigued. It was not enjoyable. I decided to end the session. This is true too, I really did.