Pavel's new stuff

General Miaow · Feb-28-06, 02:47 PM

Fast 'n' Loose and Beyond Bodybuilding - what do we think of them so far?

On page 99 of Beyond Bodybuilding (99 is the number in the corner of the page; it's 114 of 344 of the PDF file) he says that if you're training 4 days a week, Mon-Tue-Thu-Fri is better than Mon-Wed-Fri-Sat. Why? "The party is always right!"
On page 21 of Power To The People, however, he said that taking more than a day off between strength training sessions reduces effectiveness by 50%. Why? "The Party is always right!"

There are some kickass exercises in Beyond Bodybuilding, like renegade lunges, Sots' presses and crush grip overhead presses.

The Fast 'n' Loose drills will relax your muscles, no doubt, but so will lots of things, like kung fu, so I don't have much use for them. I'd say it's pretty good if you have trouble with tension and don't have any other relaxation method.

Discuss.

jackenloper · Feb-28-06, 05:36 PM

I personally did not really like beyond bodybuilding as much as i did Power to the people. His best book was power to the people in my opinion. These new books and videos are like money makers...

The video fast'n' loose is just plain weird.

Also in his stretching book , he is missing the fact that if you plateau on your stretching, you should strength train! (important fact)
iN RElax into stretch i did not like that fact that he discouraged warming up.

Dedraic · Feb-28-06, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jackenloper

I personally did not really like beyond bodybuilding as much as i did Power to the people. His best book was power to the people in my opinion. These new books and videos are like money makers...

The video fast'n' loose is just plain weird.

Also in his stretching book , he is missing the fact that if you plateau on your stretching, you should strength train! (important fact)
iN RElax into stretch i did not like that fact that he discouraged warming up.

If you don't warm up, your muscles tend to stay more relaxed and better able to respond at all times as opposed to only when you warm up. It depends on what you want your fitness to be able to do...

compleks · Mar-01-06, 03:52 AM

The Party is always right!

Get Fast, Get Loose. NOW!.

Pavel is Great.

General Miaow · Mar-01-06, 05:38 AM

Get Fast! Get Loose! Stretch!
In that order. Let me know what happens, because I've had some success with it.

Mar-04-06, 09:27 PM

Beyond Bodybuilding wasn't what I thought, in that it's a collection of articles. I'm having trouble benefitting from the routines, they seem to be for advanced people trying to push past plateaus, although some of the other stuff is really good. *works on getting F&L*

chicanerous · Mar-04-06, 09:41 PM

I'm on one of the squat programs in Beyond Bodybuilding right now and I've read through the whole thing (first day I got it actually). It really is just a collection of articles but there are a lot of good tips.

I also bought my copy, you scurvy pirates.

Mar-04-06, 10:16 PM

I need golden oranges...

JoEy_BoB · Mar-05-06, 07:23 AM

You're doing the squat routine in which you add 5bls every workout right Chicanerous? I have a couple of questions (I should probably make a new thread around them)

1-How was your relative strength before it?(your neural efficiency actually)
2-How is it working out for you?
3-Do you guys think its better to build functional muscle by gettin a good relative strength then doing more volume (will be able to handle more load and stress muscle better), or doing hypertrophy work, a blend between sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar, then building new strength on that volume?
4-Do you think I could use that program with another exercise?Like military presses or bent over rows? Can't squat right now...which leads me to.....
5-Do you think doing good mornings and box pistols (bad knees, giving box a try) would be close to doing squats? Cant dead as well, not enough weight here.

that's it, should've probably posted that as another thread

any comments aprecciated

chicanerous · Mar-05-06, 12:00 PM

I'm adding 10 lbs based on my max.

1. I was working mostly 2 x 5 back squats, 3 x 6-8 front squats before for a long time. Low rep strength oriented.
2. I'm on session #5 and have seen great growth, but the weight isn't heavy yet.
3. It doesn't matter because you will be cycling the two methods. Strength, hypertrophy, strength, hypertrophy, etc.
4. No, the only lifts you are supposed to do while on this program is lateral/renegade lunges, squats, and then calf raises. (I'm not doing the lunges actually.) No upper body lifts, no anything else. I wouldn't substitute deadlifts because the lower back is not a good place to hit with a lot of (more) direct (than the squat) volume.
5. Concentrate on rehabbing your knees not trying to progress with your development or strength at this point. That should be the most important thing after any injury.

Feb-28-06, 02:47 PM	#1
General Miaow A cat with a fez User status: Offline Location: Ireland Posts: 359 Age: 23	Pavel's new stuff Fast 'n' Loose and Beyond Bodybuilding - what do we think of them so far? On page 99 of Beyond Bodybuilding (99 is the number in the corner of the page; it's 114 of 344 of the PDF file) he says that if you're training 4 days a week, Mon-Tue-Thu-Fri is better than Mon-Wed-Fri-Sat. Why? "The party is always right!" On page 21 of Power To The People, however, he said that taking more than a day off between strength training sessions reduces effectiveness by 50%. Why? "The Party is always right!" There are some kickass exercises in Beyond Bodybuilding, like renegade lunges, Sots' presses and crush grip overhead presses. The Fast 'n' Loose drills will relax your muscles, no doubt, but so will lots of things, like kung fu, so I don't have much use for them. I'd say it's pretty good if you have trouble with tension and don't have any other relaxation method. Discuss. Last edited by General Miaow; Mar-01-06 at 05:38 AM..

Feb-28-06, 05:36 PM	#2
jackenloper Sharp Shooter User status: Offline Location: USA Posts: 145 Age: 23	I personally did not really like beyond bodybuilding as much as i did Power to the people. His best book was power to the people in my opinion. These new books and videos are like money makers... The video fast'n' loose is just plain weird. Also in his stretching book , he is missing the fact that if you plateau on your stretching, you should strength train! (important fact) iN RElax into stretch i did not like that fact that he discouraged warming up.

Mar-01-06, 03:52 AM	#4
compleks Member User status: Offline Location: Australia, Melbourne Posts: 5,476	The Party is always right! Get Fast, Get Loose. NOW!. Pavel is Great.

Mar-01-06, 05:38 AM	#5
General Miaow A cat with a fez User status: Offline Location: Ireland Posts: 359 Age: 23	Get Fast! Get Loose! Stretch! In that order. Let me know what happens, because I've had some success with it.

Mar-04-06, 09:27 PM	#6
tyciol Guest User status: Posts: n/a	Beyond Bodybuilding wasn't what I thought, in that it's a collection of articles. I'm having trouble benefitting from the routines, they seem to be for advanced people trying to push past plateaus, although some of the other stuff is really good. works on getting F&L

Mar-04-06, 09:41 PM	#7
chicanerous mathstutorials.com User status: Offline Posts: 3,021	I'm on one of the squat programs in Beyond Bodybuilding right now and I've read through the whole thing (first day I got it actually). It really is just a collection of articles but there are a lot of good tips. I also bought my copy, you scurvy pirates.

Mar-04-06, 10:16 PM	#8
tyciol Guest User status: Posts: n/a	I need golden oranges...

Mar-05-06, 07:23 AM	#9
JoEy_BoB Member User status: Offline Posts: 32 Age: 20	You're doing the squat routine in which you add 5bls every workout right Chicanerous? I have a couple of questions (I should probably make a new thread around them) 1-How was your relative strength before it?(your neural efficiency actually) 2-How is it working out for you? 3-Do you guys think its better to build functional muscle by gettin a good relative strength then doing more volume (will be able to handle more load and stress muscle better), or doing hypertrophy work, a blend between sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar, then building new strength on that volume? 4-Do you think I could use that program with another exercise?Like military presses or bent over rows? Can't squat right now...which leads me to..... 5-Do you think doing good mornings and box pistols (bad knees, giving box a try) would be close to doing squats? Cant dead as well, not enough weight here. that's it, should've probably posted that as another thread any comments aprecciated

Mar-05-06, 12:00 PM	#10
chicanerous mathstutorials.com User status: Offline Posts: 3,021	I'm adding 10 lbs based on my max. 1. I was working mostly 2 x 5 back squats, 3 x 6-8 front squats before for a long time. Low rep strength oriented. 2. I'm on session #5 and have seen great growth, but the weight isn't heavy yet. 3. It doesn't matter because you will be cycling the two methods. Strength, hypertrophy, strength, hypertrophy, etc. 4. No, the only lifts you are supposed to do while on this program is lateral/renegade lunges, squats, and then calf raises. (I'm not doing the lunges actually.) No upper body lifts, no anything else. I wouldn't substitute deadlifts because the lower back is not a good place to hit with a lot of (more) direct (than the squat) volume. 5. Concentrate on rehabbing your knees not trying to progress with your development or strength at this point. That should be the most important thing after any injury.