Btuck Question

Banned · Mar-27-06, 03:17 AM

Hi

I've been looking at some tutorials for doing btuck, I have one question about where you look though. In Juji's Btuck tutorial he says

Quick note about visionary focus during backflips: Why keep your eyes focused forward? Because if you prematurely look back, your neck extends and your chest opens up - meaning you create unnecessary arch in your lower back which slows the rotation and eliminates height. Sure, the move works if you look backward and have a parachute chest as you advance - but by not looking back and keeping a relatively hollow body position, will make good for maximum height and rotation during the backflip. For example, if you ever want a double backflip, you'll kill yourself if you don't maintain the hollow position with rounded forward shoulders: And the only way to maintain that is blind entry into the move - by not ever looking back for the ground.

Basically meaning look forward as long as possible.

While in Chase Armitage - admin from 3run.co.uk's tutorial he says
-http://streetstunts.co.uk/3run/tutorials1/backflip_tutorial.doc

At this point you have thrown your arms up and backwards and have sprung off your toes, Now you need to look backwards with your head. With every trick, I have learnt that the direction you look in is key to doing the flip right, so look upwards then directly back in the direction you are going. Arch your back; this helps you spot the ground quickly. “What ever you do, don’t get scared and tuck your head into your chest, because you won’t see where your going”.

I'm just wondering which is actually the proper and best/efficient way to get the btuck down.

Thank you

PS. Why are 'keep in mind', 'specific problem advice' and 'spotter adivice' the exact same in both tutorials

Cicero · Mar-27-06, 05:28 AM

Juji is talking about not looking back while & before you jump and reach max height, while Chase on the other hand is refering to what happens after you have reached max height.

You never, ever look back in a backflip before you have some decent height. On the other hand when you're high enough you should extend your head and shoulders backwards while bringing your knees to your chest and tuck.

sp3ctum · Mar-27-06, 05:35 AM

The spin is going to be a bit slower if you look back, so why look back?
You can't see much anyway.

Dovicka · Mar-27-06, 05:49 AM

in back tuck looking back hinders you flip to a major extent, im not sure about gainers, I'm gonna try them this thursday, but it is kinda tricky to keep your head foreward, but once you get it you don't even have to think about it. My avatar is about 6 inches lower than I can now, it is 3 days after I learned to keep my head foreward.

Kipper · Mar-27-06, 06:25 AM

Listen to Dovicka. That is one high backflip you have there, man.

Neodine · Mar-27-06, 06:45 AM

yes, i need to learn to do backflip like dovicka, cause now, i just look back right after i jumped :/ so my bflip sucks :/ gotta try it again later today cause my friend can spot me today :)

Cicero · Mar-27-06, 11:30 AM

You have to look back at one point... if not you're not going to turn.

Peleke · Mar-27-06, 02:46 PM

As he says in his exampler, imagine theres a bar on your shoulders that pushes your head back as you reach the maximum height of the jump...its hard to explain, watch the exampler and see if you hear it.

Neodine · Mar-28-06, 02:35 AM

YEAHH!!!! yesterday my friend spotted me, and my backflip was SOO HIGH when i jumped up, not back at all :) too bad we hadn't got much time, so i did not try it without spotting, but still i'm so excited that finally my backflip looks like backflip, and its high too :D, ill just need to train a bit more then its just best backflip i ever made :)
*edit, everybody who has bad backflip or is too afraid to do it, should try spotting, it just helps you ALOT. and its allmost impossible to land on your head (but still its possible :)) but yeah ! :D

Dovicka · Mar-28-06, 05:46 AM

juji actually is not a very good example of a proper back tuck, he is an example of a GOOD back tuck, but he throws his head back quite a bit, Joe eigo is has pretty much perfect one but he leans back a little to much (using his arms not his head) and could be higher, even though his insane vert makes him go really high.

Mar-27-06, 03:17 AM	#1
Banned Unbanned User status: Offline Posts: 26	Btuck Question Hi I've been looking at some tutorials for doing btuck, I have one question about where you look though. In Juji's Btuck tutorial he says Quick note about visionary focus during backflips: Why keep your eyes focused forward? Because if you prematurely look back, your neck extends and your chest opens up - meaning you create unnecessary arch in your lower back which slows the rotation and eliminates height. Sure, the move works if you look backward and have a parachute chest as you advance - but by not looking back and keeping a relatively hollow body position, will make good for maximum height and rotation during the backflip. For example, if you ever want a double backflip, you'll kill yourself if you don't maintain the hollow position with rounded forward shoulders: And the only way to maintain that is blind entry into the move - by not ever looking back for the ground. Basically meaning look forward as long as possible. While in Chase Armitage - admin from 3run.co.uk's tutorial he says -http://streetstunts.co.uk/3run/tutorials1/backflip_tutorial.doc At this point you have thrown your arms up and backwards and have sprung off your toes, Now you need to look backwards with your head. With every trick, I have learnt that the direction you look in is key to doing the flip right, so look upwards then directly back in the direction you are going. Arch your back; this helps you spot the ground quickly. “What ever you do, don’t get scared and tuck your head into your chest, because you won’t see where your going”. I'm just wondering which is actually the proper and best/efficient way to get the btuck down. Thank you PS. Why are 'keep in mind', 'specific problem advice' and 'spotter adivice' the exact same in both tutorials

Mar-27-06, 05:28 AM	#2
Cicero Innocent Bystander User status: Online Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,544 Age: 21	Juji is talking about not looking back while & before you jump and reach max height, while Chase on the other hand is refering to what happens after you have reached max height. You never, ever look back in a backflip before you have some decent height. On the other hand when you're high enough you should extend your head and shoulders backwards while bringing your knees to your chest and tuck.

Mar-27-06, 05:35 AM	#3
sp3ctum Member User status: Offline Location: Vantaa Posts: 96 Age: 22	The spin is going to be a bit slower if you look back, so why look back? You can't see much anyway.

Mar-27-06, 05:49 AM	#4
Dovicka Invisible Lawnchair User status: Offline Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 971 Age: 21	in back tuck looking back hinders you flip to a major extent, im not sure about gainers, I'm gonna try them this thursday, but it is kinda tricky to keep your head foreward, but once you get it you don't even have to think about it. My avatar is about 6 inches lower than I can now, it is 3 days after I learned to keep my head foreward.

Mar-27-06, 06:25 AM	#5
Kipper Member User status: Offline Location: Switzerland Posts: 104 Age: 20	Listen to Dovicka. That is one high backflip you have there, man.

Mar-27-06, 06:45 AM	#6
Neodine Member User status: Offline Location: Finland, Kimola Posts: 380 Age: 18	yes, i need to learn to do backflip like dovicka, cause now, i just look back right after i jumped :/ so my bflip sucks :/ gotta try it again later today cause my friend can spot me today :)

Mar-27-06, 11:30 AM	#7
Cicero Innocent Bystander User status: Online Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,544 Age: 21	You have to look back at one point... if not you're not going to turn.

Mar-27-06, 02:46 PM	#8
Peleke Rawr. User status: Offline Location: Marietta, Georgia Posts: 1,227 Age: 17	As he says in his exampler, imagine theres a bar on your shoulders that pushes your head back as you reach the maximum height of the jump...its hard to explain, watch the exampler and see if you hear it.

Mar-28-06, 02:35 AM	#9
Neodine Member User status: Offline Location: Finland, Kimola Posts: 380 Age: 18	YEAHH!!!! yesterday my friend spotted me, and my backflip was SOO HIGH when i jumped up, not back at all :) too bad we hadn't got much time, so i did not try it without spotting, but still i'm so excited that finally my backflip looks like backflip, and its high too :D, ill just need to train a bit more then its just best backflip i ever made :) *edit, everybody who has bad backflip or is too afraid to do it, should try spotting, it just helps you ALOT. and its allmost impossible to land on your head (but still its possible :)) but yeah ! :D

Mar-28-06, 05:46 AM	#10
Dovicka Invisible Lawnchair User status: Offline Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 971 Age: 21	juji actually is not a very good example of a proper back tuck, he is an example of a GOOD back tuck, but he throws his head back quite a bit, Joe eigo is has pretty much perfect one but he leans back a little to much (using his arms not his head) and could be higher, even though his insane vert makes him go really high.